Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience

[Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>]

Yes Haydi, I have read Akhutina also, she is also one of the outstanding
students of Luria.
Ulvi



2013/7/24 Haydi Zulfei <haydizulfei@rocketmail.com>

> Ulvi
> Have you read (Ryabova) Tatiana Akhutina's many articles ?   Tatiana also
> references Vladimir Bibler , a renown philosopher , to this respect .
> Best
> Haydi
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> ________________________________
>  From: Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 July 2013, 19:43:26
> Subject: Re: [xmca] Educational neuroscience
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>  As far as I know, there is a strong neuroscience in Russia in the line of
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> Alexander Romanovitch's work, Homskaya and his many other students
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> continued his work a lot.
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> Ulvi
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> 2013/7/24 Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
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> > Hello Huw,
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> > I like that text pretty much (I always returned to it in our research
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> > group in Brazil and I will present it again this week to our research
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> > group in Japan). And this text, acording to Leontiev, is from 1930...
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> > But at the same time Leontiev, in a letter from this same year (if I
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> > am not mistaken again) points to divergent way of thinking between
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> > him, Luria and Vygotsky... I unfortunately know very little about
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> > Luria (just read some texts) and even less about today Russian
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> > neuroscience, does this proposal by Vygotsky continues in Luria? And
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> > returning to the main topic, there is still neuroscience following
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> > these guidelines?
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> > Wagner
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> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>
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> > wrote:
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> > > On 24 July 2013 15:38, Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
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> > wrote:
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> > >
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> > >> Hello Larry,
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> > >>
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> > >> Please say more... I think this is so important, and things point out
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> > >> that Vygotsky also, otherwise why enter the Medicine course in 1930
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> > >> (if my memory is not wrong)
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> > >>
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> > >> Wagner
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> > >>
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> > >
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> > > "On Psychological Systems", collected works of LSV, v.3, p.105
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> > > "In actual fact, it seems to me that by introducing the concept of
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> > > psychological system in the form we discussed, we get a splendid
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> > > possibility of conceiving the real connections, the real complex
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> > > relationships that exist."
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> > > "To a certain degree this also holds true for one of the most difficult
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> > > problems -- the localization of higher psychological systems."
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> > > Huw
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> > >>
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> > >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
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> > >> wrote:
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> > >> > Ulvi,
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> > >> >
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> > >> > You mentioned you are interested in *cognitive CHANGE*.
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> > >> >
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> > >> > Within the concept  *neuroplasticity* is implicit Nero change.
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> > >> >
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> > >> > There is a scholar in France [Catherine Malabou] whose central
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> > conceptual
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> > >> > thesis explores *plasticity* as from the Greek *to mold  or to
> model.*
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> > >> > She moves the concepts of *dynamic* and *systems* and *theory* and
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> > >> *neural*
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> > >> > within the orbit of the central thesis of plasticity as change,
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> > >> > transformation and metamorphosis.
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> > >> >
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> > >> > Not sure if this is too far off topic.
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> > >> >
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> > >> > I also want to mention *neo-Piagetian* theory including Vygotsky and
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> > >> > Wittgenstein is being explored at SIMON Fraser University.
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> > >> > If interested I could say more.
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> > >> > Larry
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> > >> >
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> > >> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Ulvi İçil <ulvi.icil@gmail.com>
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> > wrote:
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> > >> >
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> > >> >> Dear Andy and all, I found Kurt Fisher, he is at Harvard, Mind,
> Brain
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> > >> and
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> > >> >> Education.
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> > >> >>
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> > >> >> He is described as:
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> > >> >>
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development
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> > >> >>
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> > >> >> Fischer's theory differs from the other neo-Piagetian theories in a
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> > >> number
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> > >> >> of respects. One of them is in the way it explains cognitive
> change.
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> > >> >> Specifically, although Fischer does not deny the operation of
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> > >> information
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> > >> >> processing constrains on development, he emphasizes on the
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> > environmental
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> > >> >> and social rather than individual factors as causes of development.
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> > To
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> > >> >> explain developmental change he borrowed two classic notions from
> Lev
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> > >> >> Vygotsky,[12]<
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> > >> >>
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> > >>
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Piagetian_theories_of_cognitive_development#cite_note-12
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> > >> >> >that
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> > >> >> is, internalization and the zone of proximal development.
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> > >> >>
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> > >> >> I am rather interested in the application of the new findings in
> the
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> > >> field
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> > >> >> of educational neuroscience into the theory and practice of
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> > education.
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> > >> >>
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> > >> >> Ulvi
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> > >> >>
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> > >> >> 2013/7/23 Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
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> > >> >>
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> > >> >> > Ulvi, best of luck in your search, and maybe someone on this list
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> > can
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> > >> >> > help. But don't get your hopes up.
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> > >> >> > Lawrence Barsalou is a very sophisticated writer on neuroscience,
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> > but
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> > >> in:
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> > >> >> > Barsalou, L. W. (1992) “Cognitive Psychology. An Overview for
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> > >> Cognitive
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> > >> >> > Scientists,” Hillsdale NJ: Lawrence Earlbaum.
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> > >> >> >
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> > >> >> > where he has a chapter on education, he characterises education
> as:
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> > >> >> > “teachers provide information that students incorporate into
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> > existing
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> > >> >> > knowledge” - in other words, not only does he use "folk
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> > psychology" in
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> > >> >> his
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> > >> >> > grasp of the subtlties of education, but he seems to be unaware
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> > that
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> > >> this
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> > >> >> > antiquated "theory" of teaching and learning has been subject to
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> > any
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> > >> >> > critique over the past 100 years. A classic illustration of the
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> > >> problem
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> > >> >> > that Greg has been raising.
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> > >> >> >
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> > >> >> > Andy
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> > >> >> >
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> > >> >> >
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> > >> >> > Ulvi İçil wrote:
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> > >> >> >
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> > >> >> >> Dear all,
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> > >> >> >>
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> > >> >> >> I would like to know some outstanding scholar names in the field
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> > of
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> > >> >> >> educational neuroscience, working in the line of sociocultural
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> > >> theory.
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> > >> >> >> Thanks.
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> > >> >> >> Ulvi
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> > >> >> >>
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> > >> >> > --
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> > >> >> > ------------------------------**------------------------------**
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> > >> >> > ------------
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> > >> >> > *Andy Blunden*
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> > >> >> > Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
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> > >> >> > Book: http://www.brill.nl/concepts
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> > >> >> > http://marxists.academia.edu/**AndyBlunden<
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> > >> >> http://marxists.academia.edu/AndyBlunden>
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