Re: [xmca] Banners of Brazil [without oppositions]

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

I am perfectly ready to believe that it was not lenin who said that.
Whoever it was Peter was urging us to consider as a key idea. I did not
like the idea. It has deadly consequences when isolated in that fashion.

mike

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Don't be quick to condemn, Mike. I searched Lenins CW at marxists.org and
> there is no record of Lenin having said that or anything vaguely similar.
> In my experience, at least 90% of the quotes imputed to Marx or other
> Marxists turn out to be either outright hoaxes or urban myths.
>
> Andy
>
> mike cole wrote:
>
>> I agree with a lot of what you said, Peter. American citizenry is not,
>> yet,
>> in such
>> a situation. Although the outpouring of support for the woman who dared to
>> stand up for reproductive rights in Texas provided such an experience for
>> many and has
>> engaged many beyond.
>>
>> I do not agree with Lenin, however, that anger is the root of ALL wisdom.
>> What a dim view of the human experience.
>>
>> mike
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Peter Feigenbaum [Staff] <
>> pfeigenbaum@fordham.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dear Brazilian colleagues,
>>>
>>> I find myself in envy of your situation. The struggle to create a better
>>> life for working-class and middle-class families in the US has been
>>> frustrating and demoralizing these past few years. Directly and through
>>> their political representatives, the capitalists have done severe damage
>>> to
>>> unions and their efforts to organize workers, and the community activists
>>> and union activists I'm involved with are worn out and exasperated from
>>> many defeats. So the news of a mass outpouring of people onto the streets
>>> of Brazil, and the possibility of truly progressive social change in your
>>> country, comes as welcome and uplifting news to those of us suffering in
>>> the "belly of the beast".
>>>
>>> For purely selfish reasons, I'm sorry that the events of the past few
>>> weeks
>>> did not occur last year--when I was visiting Brazil and lecturing at the
>>> University of Sao Paulo. It's been a long time since I had the
>>> opportunity
>>> in my own country to participate in mass demonstrations where the power
>>> and
>>> strength of the people becomes a palpable and conscious experience. The
>>> shared sense that the social order could be changed by our mass action is
>>> an exhilarating feeling! I remember thinking that the feeling is fragile,
>>> however, because it arose spontaneously and there was no understanding or
>>> plan for establishing the conditions for its continuation. Thus, the
>>> experience of <people power> was always episodic rather than sustained.
>>> In
>>> countries where socialism has already been achieved, however, such as
>>> Cuba,
>>> it's a different story, of course: the people are able to deliberately
>>> experience their own power simply by summoning to action their mass
>>> organizations such as the Federation of Cuban Women and the Committees
>>> for
>>> the Defense of the Revolution, which can mobilize 95% of the population
>>> on
>>> short notice.
>>>
>>> The events transpiring in Brazil were not consciously planned, but
>>> instead
>>> arose from an outpouring of emotion. (Lenin wrote that "anger is the root
>>> of all wisdom"). It seems to me that to sustain what has begun--to
>>> preserve
>>> and nurture people's sense of their own power--is going to require a
>>> conscious approach from here onward. It will be necessary to identify the
>>> material obstacles to realizing people's unity, and to develop concrete
>>> plans for overcoming those obstacles, whether they be ideological,
>>> theoretical, political, economic, technical, linguistic, etc.
>>>
>>> I cherish the reports of events in Brazil that have been shared on this
>>> listserve. I appreciate knowing what is happening through the lenses of
>>> your personal and professional perspectives.  I also appreciate the
>>> difficulty you must be having trying to reconcile the emotional and the
>>> rational sides of these events, particularly since the events are still
>>> in
>>> their infancy. As developments allow, please keep us appraised of your
>>> progress. Your achievements are heartwarming to those of us in need of
>>> such
>>> news.
>>>
>>> In solidarity (and with best wishes),
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Achilles Delari Junior <
>>> achilles_delari@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Internationally working. I believe and hope. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Phillip.White@ucdenver.edu
>>>>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 07:53:04 -0600
>>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Banners of Brazil [without oppositions]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Achilles - both you're welcome, and truly there is nothing to apologize
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> for.  clarity of communication through the internet is daunting.  and,
>>>>
>>>>
>>> yes,
>>>
>>>
>>>> again, here's working for greater transformations in Brazil.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> phillip
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Behalf Of Achilles Delari Junior [achilles_delari@hotmail.com]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:56 PM
>>>>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>> Subject: RE: [xmca] Banners of Brazil [without oppositions]
>>>>>
>>>>> Philip, thank you very much. I sincerely believe that me and you are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> talking maybe not about the same things, but with a more important and
>>>>
>>>>
>>> deep
>>>
>>>
>>>> agreement in the essential ethical values. Because this, please accept
>>>> my
>>>> apologizes because my aggressive way to talk,  and my real respect in
>>>> relation to your patience and solidarity inside your critical
>>>>
>>>>
>>> thinking... I
>>>
>>>
>>>> guess after some time all we will can understand better what is going
>>>> on,
>>>> in the eye of the hurricane is not so easy. But you give us some
>>>>
>>>>
>>> important
>>>
>>>
>>>> insights - I will reflect about all your tips. Sincerely, my best wishes
>>>> for you and all people that have the dignity for don't leave another
>>>> strange person talking alone, only because different forms of
>>>>
>>>>
>>> disagreement
>>>
>>>
>>>> epistemological, ethical or political. This is an actual aptitude of an
>>>> international scholar. Thank you. I hope to see you soon. Achilles.
>>>>
>>>>
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