Re: [xmca] Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice

[Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>]

Larry,

I doubt that mirroring of facial expression is the *only* way that adults provide feedback to their infants that is mediated by cultural norms and categories of emotion. One interacts with an emotional baby in many other ways too - comforting them through contact, cuddling and rocking. Amusing them by tickling and tossing in the air. Each of these is the omega interacting with the alpha. Plus we know there are cultures where face to face contact with infants is relatively rare - an infant may pass much time strapped to his mother's back, for example.

But I don't see these points as objections to the basic argument that adult interpretation, culturally formed, plays an important constitutive role in a child's emotional development, in particular the shift from other-regulated to self-regulated emotion.

Martin

On Mar 19, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy,
> Following up on your commentary on the article under discussion.
> Expression signs are assumed to mediate the psychological and the
> sociocultural as a mechanism.
> I would like to now focus on the theory or model of *internalization* and
> invite commentary on this model.
> On page 24 the question is posed: which developmental mechanism underlies
> the differentiation of fully functioning emotional expressions?
> Answer:
> According to the internalization model the decisive mechanism is to be
> found in the interplay between two factors: the caregivers motive-serving
> RESPONSE and mirroring of infant emotional expression interacting with the
> infant's imitation of the caregiver's emotional expression and learning
> from experience.... infants differentiate their emotions in a semantic
> space in which their emotional experiences are MEDITED by the
> INTERPRETATIONS of their caregivers.
> 
> Is this answer to the question accepted as the decisive mechanism which
> transforms precursor emotions into fully functioning emotions??
> 
> The reason I ask, is because this model is also profoundly transforming
> psychoanalytical understandings of expression signs.
> 
> Larry
> 
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> 
>> You're an africienado of this cuisine yourself, Joe.
>> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/**jl78v2n3.PDF<http://lchc.ucsd.edu/Histarch/jl78v2n3.PDF>
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> JAG wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you deliver
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 10:34 PM, Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I'm not aware that they included any neurological techniques in their
>>>> research, Andy.
>>>> 
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Martin.
>>>>> I am not confused.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am reminded of when my friend Sasha was arrested for punching a
>>>>> copper at a demonstration in London in 1968. His girlfriend appeared as a
>>>>> witness, and when the judged asked her: "Did you see the defendant punch
>>>>> the officer?" she replied: "No!" so judge dismissed her saying that if she
>>>>> didn't see the offence then she was not a witness. Sasha was innocent of
>>>>> course, but he got 6 months in Brixton.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The question xmca readers can reflect on is this: are Manfred and the
>>>>> other contributors to this Special Issue on emotion ignorant of the widely
>>>>> publicised phenomenon of mirror neurons despite many years of research into
>>>>> the development of emotional expression in infants, or does their failure
>>>>> to witness the action of "mirror neurons" suggest that there are no such
>>>>> entities?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Martin Packer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andy,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think you're mixing three different kinds of 'mirroring':
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. recognition of one's mirror image, something that develops during
>>>>>> the 2nd year of life.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. mirroring the facial expression of an interactional or
>>>>>> conversational partner, something that adults and infants start to do early
>>>>>> in the first year of life.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3. neurons that fire either when a person is producing a certain
>>>>>> action or when they are perceiving the same action.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Though these have similar names they are quite distinct phenomena,
>>>>>> although researchers propose various connections amongst them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
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