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Re: [xmca] Polls are closed: Manfred Holodynsk's article is choice



Hi everyone
I agree that the topic of emotions is central to cultural historical theory.
The notion of *expression signs* seems to be assumed to be the *mediating
evening* between the psychological and the cultural.
My question as I was reading about this way of *understanding* expression
signs is:

Can merleau ponty's understanding of language AS gestures which are
fundamentally a way of communicating as both conventional and spontaneous
have a family resemblance to *expressive signs* AS mediating events??

Merleau ponty sees language, prosody, AS *gestures*.
If expressive *signs* and expressive *symbols* are conceptualized within
merleau ponty's notion of the dialectic between spontaneity and
sedimentation I see a possible bridge into Elena cufferi's exploration of
*gesture* as *expressive signs*.

The notion of expressive signs as  KEY to opening a clearing which invites
a conversation to understand *gesture* as cooperation and coordinating
between the psychological and sociocultural AS *communication* is the
family resemblance I'm reading into this article.

Larry

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Huw Lloyd <huw.softdesigns@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 17 March 2013 12:15, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> > Robert, if I were to suggest that "mirror neurons" are a metaphyical
> > belief which have no more basis in existence than phlogiston or ether,
> > would that actually change anything? Have you ever been misled by the
> > mistaken observation of "mirror neuron" activity, or has observation of a
> > mirror neuron ever explained some otherwise inexplicable event? So far
> as I
> > know, leaving aside surgical intervention, neurons only react to other
> > neurons by direct electrochemical interaction.
> > Andy
> >
> >
> There's theoretical room for the rest of the electromagnetic spectrum, e.g.
> optics.    I think Robert is referring to the whites of the eyes phenomena
> observed in monkey(?) brain scans.
>
> In this sense its ontological status is that one can draw a dotted line
> around a scan image etc and name it.
>
> As far as the autism line of reasoning goes, I guess its akin to the
> phenomena of blindness in children who have (unfortunately) have had a
> patch over their eye during particular neurological developments whereby
> they are later unable to see out of what looks like a perfectly functioning
> eye.
>
> I will leave it to Robert to speculate on the social genesis of its
> systemic relevance...
>
> Best,
> Huw
>
>
>
> > Robert Lake wrote:
> >
> >> Hi everyone,
> >> I am a relative newcomer to CHAT research, so this (mostly rhetorical)
> >> question is probably
> >> old hat to many of you. It concerns Holodynski's article as it may or
> may
> >> not relate to the notion of mirror neurons as described by Ramachandran.
> >>
> >> http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_**ramachandran_the_neurons_that_**
> >> shaped_civilization.html<
> http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civilization.html
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> If I understand this correctly, in Holodynski's view, a caregiver
> mirrors
> >> back to the child, his or her own emotions through gesture and facial
> >> expressions. What if the child's emotions/expressions fall into the
> range
> >> of autism spectrum disorders? Can ZPD's be created that in turn help
> create
> >> and develop "empathy" neurons in us regardless of our age level? Are
> there
> >> some cultures that are more emotionally and perhaps empathically
> evolved?
> >>
> >> Thank-you MCA team  and Professor Holodynski for this article. I think
> it
> >> represents the a key component for the future of cultural/historical
> >> research.
> >>
> >> Fascinated and curious,
> >> Robert Lake
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
> <mailto:
> >> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>     The article for discussion is now available at:
> >>     http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/**Journal/pdfs/20-1-holodynski.**pdf<
> http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/pdfs/20-1-holodynski.pdf>
> >>
> >>
> >>     Andy
> >>
> >>     mike cole wrote:
> >>
> >>         We will make available Manfred Holodynski's article - The
> >>         Internalization
> >>         Theory of Emotions: A Cultural Historical Approach to the
> >>         Development of Emotions - available
> >>         for discussion as soon as possible. Then let the discussion
> begin!
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