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Re: [xmca] Readung Piaget again...



There's also this:

Furth, H. G., & Youniss, J. (2000). Reflections on Piaget's sociological studies. New Ideas in Psychology, 18(2-3), 121-133.


On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Piaget wrote a book called "Six sociological studies" which was only
> available in French for many years.  I am going to look for information, as
> my copy was stolen.  For him, "sociological' was roughly the same as
> "social".
>
> Will get back to you.
>
> Carol
>
> On 14 February 2013 19:30, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Armando. Among other things, that document about event
>> planning provides an interesting
>> start on analyzing certain generalizable categories relevant to the
>> division of labor and its dynamics.
>>
>> People are responding to my original question about "what is an event" in
>> terms of different discourses
>> focused on different levels of scale, in the chat sense.
>>
>> Sewell and Sahlins are concerned with events at the level of memorable and
>> memorialized history
>> events in discussion issues of agency and structure at the cultural
>> historical level.
>>
>> Cultural-mediational psychologists and other ontogeny-oriented folks look
>> at socially defined events
>> of long standing such as birthdays and innaugurations wars, etc. This
>> branches into the branches that Greg has pointed to in sociology, symbolic
>> interactionisn, cultural studies. And it branched "down" into developmental
>> psychology using notions such as event schemas/scripts..... secondary
>> artifacts in Wartofskian terms.
>>
>> I sure have a pile of reading to do! Serves me right wondering what events
>> have to do with communication.  :-)
>> mike
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Justo, Armando <ArmandoJ@iadb.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Carol,
>>>
>>> That is a very interesting question and I personally think that CHAT is
>>> great for the analysis. These behaviors represent historical accepted
>> forms
>>> of activity for these positions that establish the "norms" applicable to
>>> its incumbents. The credentialization movement is grounded in these type
>> of
>>> approaches.
>>>
>>> One possibility could be the analysis of use value and exchange value to
>>> see how individuals use this set of behaviors to develop and to foster
>>> their employability, and how organizations use the same behaviors to
>> define
>>> the rules for the activity. Sawchuk (2003) does a very interesting
>> analysis
>>> of this type for the functions of a university professor.
>>>
>>> Another performative lens would help incumbents to see these examples as
>>> developmental possibilities "to be both who they are and who they are
>>> becoming" (Holzman, 2009).
>>>
>>> I hope this helps!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Armando
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Carol Macdonald [mailto:carolmacdon@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 04:55 AM
>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Events: Assistance requested
>>>
>>> Armando,
>>>
>>> This is obviously a correct and comprehensive account. I do, however,
>>> wonder how Mike is going to conceptualise that in CHAT!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>> On 13 February 2013 21:07, Justo, Armando <ArmandoJ@iadb.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Years ago I conducted the profiling of technical competencies for one
>>>> organization that has the position of "event planners". Their job
>>>> encompassed four key areas: (i) knowledge of norms and regulations,
>> (ii)
>>>> events management , (iii) contract services management, and (i) budget
>>>> management.
>>>>
>>>> Below are the responsibilities of this position.  I hope it helps,
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Armando Justo
>>>>
>>>> ________
>>>>
>>>> Event Planning and Production includes staff who are responsible for
>> the
>>>> organization, coordination and execution of various events. Their
>>>> responsibilities encompass the coordination and supervision of all
>>>> protocol, ceremonial, and logistic aspects of these events applying
>>>> appropriate norms and regulations.
>>>>
>>>> (i) Norms and Regulations
>>>> . Defines logistical and physical event requirements, making
>>>> recommendations based on client needs, cost benefits and protocol
>>> standards.
>>>> . Defines event strategies and establishes order of precedence based on
>>>> analysis of agenda, list of attendees and cultural sensitivities.
>>>> . Guides staff on protocol matters, both written and procedural, and
>>> guest
>>>> criteria.
>>>> . Conducts quality control, evaluating the performance and quality of
>>>> services provided by vendors and facilities.
>>>> . Drafts recommendations for implementation of new protocol norms and
>>>> procedures, based on identification of best market practices.
>>>> . Provides guidance on application of proper protocol procedures for
>>>> official events.
>>>> . Anticipates potential complex and/or high visibility protocol issues,
>>>> using sound judgment to identify and implement corrective solutions.
>>>>
>>>> (ii) Events Management
>>>> . Advises involved players on logistical and protocol concerns and
>> needs,
>>>> providing strategic information regarding participant requirements
>> and/or
>>>> agenda issues.
>>>> . Initiates and coordinates corrective measures in response to issues
>>>> identified regarding the planning and execution of events.
>>>> . Conducts quality assurance for processing and approval of required
>>>> documentation, ensuring that requests for all necessary equipment and
>>>> logistical requirements are complete and accurate.
>>>> . Defines critical success factors to be considered for execution and
>>>> evaluation of event management.
>>>> . Defines criteria for identification of new facilities and resources,
>>>> guiding staff in assessing factors to be considered, ensuring
>> compliance
>>>> with established procedures and maximization of financial resources.
>>>> . Guides staff, providing information and answering inquiries on best
>>>> utilization of available resources and/or need for additional
>> resources.
>>>>
>>>> (iii) Contract Services Management
>>>> . Monitors work performed by consultants and contractors, ensuring
>>>> satisfactory delivery of services in compliance with contract
>>>> specifications and schedules, identifying any corrective actions
>>> necessary.
>>>> . Develop contractual agreements that maximize protection and value for
>>>> the organization, and meet the business requirements.
>>>> . Negotiates and/or renegotiates contract terms and conditions,
>> ensuring
>>>> best cost value while maintaining quality of service.
>>>> . Educates external providers on conference or audio-visual norms and
>>>> guidelines, monitoring their work to ensure successful event
>> organization
>>>> and/or services consistent with internal standards and procedures.
>>>> . Develops work programs and schedules according to upcoming event
>>>> requirements, and analysis of specific needs, optimizing the use of
>>>> financial and human resources.
>>>> . Establishes contract requirements, applying knowledge of market
>>>> conditions in the selection and hiring of consultants and service
>>> providers.
>>>> . In conjunction with the legal department, identifies legal
>> implications
>>>> of user or vendor requests, to reduce potential liability to the
>>>> organization.
>>>>
>>>> (iv) Budget Administration
>>>> . Analyzes and determines needed budget for events maximizing cost
>>> savings
>>>> and efficiency.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of "Engeström, Yrjö H M"
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:34 PM
>>>> To: lchcmike@gmail.com; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] Re: Events: Assistance requested
>>>>
>>>> MIke, the historian/historical sociologist William H. Sewell, Jr. has
>>>> built much of his theory of history on the concept of event. See for
>>>> example:
>>>>
>>>> -Sewell, W. H., Jr. (1996). Historical events as transformations of
>>>> structures: Inventing revolution at the Bastille. Theory and Soecity,
>>>> 25(6), 841-881.
>>>>
>>>> -Sewell, W. H., Jr. (1996). Three temporalities: Toward and eventful
>>>> sociology. In T. J. McDonald (Ed.), The historic turn in the human
>>>> sciences. University of Michigan Press.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Yrjö
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 13, 2013, at 7:26 PM, mike cole wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is all very helpful. I recommend that stanford encyclopedia
>> entry
>>>>> for a way to think about the span of levels and range of phenomena to
>>>>> which we apply the term, event.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that in Pepper's "world hypotheses" view, "the event" is the
>> unit
>>>>> of analysis of contextualism.
>>>>>
>>>>> hmmmm
>>>>> mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Helena Worthen <
>>> helenaworthen@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One form of "event planning," which I assume includes everything
>> from
>>>>>> kid's birthday parties to a ride at Disneyland to political
>>>>>> conventions, is theater production. From the job description point
>> of
>>>>>> view, the person listed as "producer" for a play is responsible for
>>>>>> everything from raising the money, writing the budget, choosing the
>>>>>> play and publicizing it, hiring the director and other technical
>>>>>> staff and shaping how it is interpreted by the media and finally
>>>>>> deciding when it closes and paying off (or apologizing) to the
>>>>>> investors. As Jim Mackenzie, who was Producer at ACT in San
>> Francisco
>>>>>> once said, "Sometimes all you have to do is say 'Let's do it' and
>>>> sometimes you're sewing on the zippers."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I googled "theater production", however, I saw that theater
>>>>>> departments who teach production focus on what goes on backstage --
>>>>>> costumes, wigs, makeup, set design, lighting. That's much narrower
>>>>>> than what a producer does. No useful book showed up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonetheless, theater might be a good way to talk about event
>> planning
>>>>>> because of a key feature of  both: they are both bounded by the
>>>>>> audience's or the participant's, encounter with them. They require
>>>>>> taking the audience's perspective from the first awareness
>>>>>> (pre-publicity) all the way through to the memory of the event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found this perspective useful when producing the annual
>> conferences
>>>>>> for labor educators, which were very successful and drew increasing
>>>>>> numbers of participants over the four years I was doing it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helena Worthen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/12/13 3:57 PM, "mike cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah! Well, I started to send this note to all of you, then decided
>> to
>>>>>>> send to daughter, but ended up sending to all of you after all, so
>>>>>>> here is the problem. Delete if this is an intrusion on your time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am teaching a class where students are interest in an activity
>>>>>>> called "event planning" for which people are sometime paid enough
>> to
>>>>>>> make a living. The difficulty is that the students do not appear to
>>>>>>> have been taught anything they can remember about events and this
>> is
>>>>>>> a senior class. So I am doing some digging with them, and now with
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The dictionary is of limited use:
>>>>>>> * *
>>>>>>> *a. * Something that takes place; an occurrence.
>>>>>>> *b. * A significant occurrence or happening. See Synonyms at
>>>>>>> occurrence<http://www.thefreedictionary.com/occurrence>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> *c. * A social gathering or activity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A philosophical dictionary lays out the problem territory in
>> greater
>>>>>>> detail: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/events/#EveVsObj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For events of type c, which the students are most concerned with of
>>>>>>> course, my thought was to turn to the work of Turner, Goffman.....
>>>>>>> but I cannot use an entire book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would appreciate suggestions for sources that would help me and
>> my
>>>>>>> students to think about events, especially as they relate to a
>>>>>>> process called communication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mike
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