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Re: [xmca] [Mind Culture Activity] Andy Blunden changed the group description



I'm not a refusenik, but I do find that it is not an effective tool for the forms of communication I want to sustain. It refuses to become 'ready-to-hand' - like a Microsoft product, it is always trying to inform me of something I already know, or something I don't need to know. But other people enjoy it and find it useful, which is great.

My reasons for suggesting we keep our XMCA discussions on this list serve are different: they are the archiving and access issues, not the clunkiness of Facebook. 

Martin

On Feb 5, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Bruce Robinson wrote:

> Am I the last person in the world to be a Facebook refusenik? I have resisted joining because of privacy and control issues plus knowing that if I did it would take too much of my time.
> 
> I am on Twitter though. Maybe we could hold XMCA discussions there - 140 characters to explain the ZPD!
> 
> Bruce Robinson
> 
> Christine Schweighart wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I recently made posts to facebook, I'd been discussing related topics on
>> xmca - but the threads had fizzled and an  opening appeared on Facebook
>> which I related. [I discovered more about Gendlin and both he and Vasilyuk
>> both value 'the peripheral' in very different ways examining
>> 'experiencing}. I acquired very helpful URL links to read about Gendlin.
>> I began by commenting that Facebook could not be searched - and was aware
>> that this was a  temporal 'island'. However if the rare occurence happens
>> would it be worthwhile to say:'Let's transfer this over to xmca'? The
>> archiving and searching through the LCHC site is quite helpful - but XMCA
>> itself - I haven't figured out how to search well. As it works in e-mail
>> postings, I find I search my mailbox for recent topics if I find I want to
>> remember something that comes back to be 'important' again.
>> 
>> Facebook has potential for opening to people who do not know about xmca  ,
>> just through the topic of the group -through curiosity.  Perhaps this
>> article might be interesting to read to think about what Facebook might
>> 'do' that  the listserve wouldn't?
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/opinion/sunday/the-death-of-the-cyberflaneur.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all
>> Christine.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> There is no cause for alarm. The FaceBook page has been there since
>>> November 2007 and posts have been few and far between other than the odd
>>> announcement by me. A message only goes on the FaceBook page if you put it
>>> there. There is no prospect whatever of xmca being replaced by a FaceBook
>>> page.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> Robert Lake wrote:
>>> 
>>>    
>>>> Dear Andy,
>>>> My postings are short and infrequent but I they are addresses to XCMA
>>>> discussion board, not Facebook.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for allowing us to have a voice.
>>>> Robert Lake
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:
>>>> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   Well Mike, you managed to make this comment simultaneously on
>>>>   FaceBook and xmca. Well done. That's a first. And as a result 2
>>>>   xmca-ers have just joined the FaceBook group.
>>>> 
>>>>   What you did is something someone can do if they choose to comment
>>>>   on FaceBook via email (which personally I don't) and send it to
>>>>   two destinations at the same time. Maybe Bruce could automate
>>>>   that, but I really don't see any value, in general, in duplicating
>>>>   the sometimes-intense discussions on xmca to a little FaceBook
>>>>   page, unless it is specifically about FaceBook,.
>>>> 
>>>>   But I too, would like to know what others think.
>>>>   Andy
>>>>   http://www.facebook.com/**groups/14528630028/<http://www.facebook.com/groups/14528630028/>
>>>> 
>>>>   mike cole wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>       Hi Andy-- I am a little confused about the facebook and email
>>>>       versions of
>>>>       xmca/mca. They are somewhat different media with different social
>>>>       affordances; sometimes more social stuff get done
>>>>       on xmca, sometimes important theoretical ideas are discussed
>>>>       in the
>>>>       ambience of facebook.
>>>> 
>>>>       No experience here. What would people like?
>>>> 
>>>>       On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Andy Blunden <
>>>>       notification+h-7-_um_@**facebookmail.com<notification%2Bh-7-_um_@facebookmail.com>
>>>>       <mailto:notification%2Bh-7-_**um_@facebookmail.com<notification%252Bh-7-_um_@facebookmail.com>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           **
>>>>            Andy Blunden posted in Mind Culture
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>>>>                 6:41pm
>>>>           Feb 4
>>>>           Mind Culture Activity is the journal for
>>>>           Cultural-Historical Activity
>>>>           Theory - a current ofcultural psychology originating in
>>>>           the USSR, with Lev
>>>>           Vygotsky, A N Leontyev and A R Luria.
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