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RE: [xmca] ISCAR



loyce, you are absolutely welcome. i just arrived home and have to go to
athens for a meeting. i sgall write to all of you again to co-create the
group.
katerina
On Sep 11, 2011 8:37 PM, "Duckles, Joyce" <
joyce.duckles@warner.rochester.edu> wrote:
> Though I am not yet a member of ISCAR, I'd be very interested in this SIG
on sociocultural approaches to science education.
>
> If there is a core group forming, how might I get connected? How might I
help?
>
> Many thanks to Katerina for spearheading this wonderful idea.
>
> Joyce
>
> Joyce M. Duckles
> PhD Candidate in Human Development / Visiting Instructor
> Warner Graduate School of Education and Human Development
> University of Rochester
> 585.276.4894 (office)
> 585.721.5978 (cell)
> joyce.duckles@warner.rochester.edu
> "It is not necessary to know everything in order to understand something"
~Clifford Geertz (1973)
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Katerina Plakitsi
> Sent: Thu 9/8/2011 2:12 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR
>
>
>
> dear xmca members. yesterday, during iscar members' meeting, i proposed a
> new special interest group concerning sociocultural approaches to science
> education (even from the early childood) . the executive committee and
many
> members welcomed this idea into the iscar community. so, we just begun
with
> 15 members. the call is open in a multiscience context. if you are
> interested in the creation if this new sig, you are welcome to share ideas
> and to organize it.
> katerina plakitsi.
> On Sep 7, 2011 3:32 PM, "Joe" <joe.glick@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Great idea!
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Beatrice Ligorio <bealigorio@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Exactly -- this is my hope too
>>> I am working in this direction
>>>
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 22:20:26 +1000
>>>> From: ablunden@mira.net
>>>> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping, Beartrice, that we could add them to the CHAT collection
>>>> on vimeo.com:
>>>>
>>>> http://vimeo.com/groups/39473/videos/sort:plays
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> Beatrice Ligorio wrote:
>>>>> Hi, just some more info about this:
>>>>> all the keynotes were recorded and there is a project to produce a
> CDrom
>>>>> I am inquiring about possibility to have access to single video and
> permittions to use the videos freerly within the ISCAR and MCA communty
>>>>> I'll keep you updated about this
>>>>>
>>>>> Beatrice
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 11:45:02 +0200
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR
>>>>>> From: carolmacdon@gmail.com
>>>>>> To: ablunden@mira.net; xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
>>>>>> CC:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a pity!! So the best we can do is to watch. Thank you anyway
>>>>>> Carol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 September 2011 11:42, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, once the camera was turned then we get the audio and video. I
> turned
>>>>>>> on my video capture software in time to pick up the end of the 9am
> session,
>>>>>>> all of the 10am session and the award to Mariance Hedegaard. But
then
> when I
>>>>>>> looked at the file (which has to be rendered, a time-consuming
> process) I
>>>>>>> find that I am only capturing the audio. The video is all black.
> Something
>>>>>>> to do with the software used to stream the live video. I record the
> "screen"
>>>>>>> which seems to capture things which are displayed within the browser
> window,
>>>>>>> but not what gets displayed in the windows media player. So the
> capturing is
>>>>>>> no good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carol Macdonald wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, we have just seen Marianne Hedegaard win the service medal to
> ISCAR,
>>>>>>>> which she didn't know about and she is such a stalwart that she
> deserves
>>>>>>>> over and over!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Elinor Ochs is from linguistic/cultural anthropology, which I think
> may be
>>>>>>>> seen to be hostile to to study of language: that we stand on the
> same
>>>>>>>> platform as her is a testament to the breath and width of CHAT, but
> does
>>>>>>>> leave me puzzled. Yes, she does try to rescue language.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7 September 2011 10:23, Paul Moore <paulmoor@uow.edu.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess no one has managed to record anything yet? Elinor Ochs has
> just
>>>>>>>>> started (10:00am Rome is 6pm Australia) but I'm unable to record
> and I've
>>>>>>>>> got bandwidth problems - though it's now coming through OK on
> Windows
>>>>>>>>> Media.
>>>>>>>>> Very clear shots of ppt slides and the speakers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul Moore
>>>>>>>>> PS Andy - the streaming file is available at
>>>>>>>>> http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/**WEB_TV_LIVE.php<
> http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/WEB_TV_LIVE.php>and the program is available
>>>>>>>>> at http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/**general_program.php<
> http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/general_program.php>with Keynotes at 9am
>>>>>>>>> and 10am Rome time every day
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________**__________
>>>>>>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>> Of Martin Packer [packer@duq.edu]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 September 2011 17:34
>>>>>>>>> To: Haydi Zulfei; eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is that on a Mac or Windows machine, Haydi? And can you provide
the
>>>>>>>>> address
>>>>>>>>> of the site where you downloaded Television Fanatic?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:30 AM, Haydi Zulfei wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you , Martin ! But now I have the voice very clearly . A
> lady is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> speaking ! Of course , there are some pauses of voice .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One thing I did , I installed television fanatic from google list
> typing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> web tv .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Martin Packer <packer@duq.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:19 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Haydi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I understand it (and I am not at all involved in the
> organization of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this) the video should display in a browser window. Using Safari I
> get
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> error I described in the previous message. Using Firebox I get the
>>>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>>>> message: "The operation couldn't be completed. (OSStatus error
> -19160.)."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Haydi Zulfei wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> May you kindly say what software should we use ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Haydi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Zulfei <haydizulfei@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 10:55 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From your messages , it's not clear if you have any picture
> yourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The following is what I have at hand . Is this a matter of the
> speed of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> our internet or some other technical problem such as flaws in our
> whole
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> communication systems .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [[Windows Media Player cannot find the file. If you are trying to
> play,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> burn, or sync an item that is in your library, the item might
> point to a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> file that has been moved, renamed, or deleted.]]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Haydi
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Helen Grimmett <helen.grimmett@monash.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: ablunden@mira.net; "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 10:30 PM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] ISCAR
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings from Rome! 9-11am here is 5-7pm back home in
Melbourne.
> The
>>>>>>>>>>> website is http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/**info_iscar.php<
> http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/info_iscar.php>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It would be great if you can work out how to record them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>> Helen
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7 September 2011 11:13, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can capture streamed video on my PC but I need to know when
> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any tips appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Martin Packer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> except it doesn't work on my Mac... :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 6, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All is quiet on xmca, presumably because many of us are at
the
> ISCAR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference. There was an announcement today that the keynote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> presentations,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which are scheduled from around 9 - 11 am today through Sunday,
> will
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> streamed live from the conference web site. Apparently they will
> not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> recorded for later broadcast (I have no idea why). Of course, a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> technically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> savvy person might be able to record them as they are streamed; I
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> know about that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/****info_iscar.php<
> http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/**info_iscar.php>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/**info_iscar.php<
> http://www.iscar2011.org/eng/info_iscar.php>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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