Re: [xmca] RE: The Social Creation of Inequality

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Yes indeed. It is a truism, Andy. Just checking to see if it applied to what
you were writing about projects and concepts.

mike

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> I don't know Plotkin, Mike, but surely it is a truism for us Vygotskyites
> that human life is a continual interchange between imagination and material
> reality? That one person's (one period's) imagination is realised for
> another person (period) by means of (mediated by) artefacts and acitivities
> organised around artefacts? That tools and symbols mediate imagination and
> imagination mediates material culture?
>
> Andy
>
> mike cole wrote:
>
>> So, in Henry Plotkin's terms, culture is the imagination made real, Andy?
>> mike
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:
>> ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:
>>
>>    Mmmm, I have not settled on whether "dead" is the right word.
>>    "Objectivication" means that the project becomes an integral part
>>    of a way of life, reflected in a word in the language and other
>>    artefacts which are taken-for-granted as tied up with the concept
>>    which was once a project. In a sense it is very much alive,
>>    because it is enacted by living people and is part of the life of
>>    the community. But it no longer has a life of its own, so to speak.
>>    But projects also die in the sense that they are no longer enacted
>>    and are just a memory, like "old technology" or the soap box
>>    (trying to think of examples, I noticed that such projects often
>>    move over into metaphors).
>>
>>    Andy
>>
>>    Larry Purss wrote:
>>
>>        Andy
>>        Thanks for the clarification.  Institutions have a life cycle.
>>        While still "living" it is more accurate to refer to these
>>        conventionalized practices as "projects" that are continuing
>>        to develop. Whe the cycle ends they become dead
>>        ojectivications. Is this accrate?
>>         Larry
>>
>>        On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Andy Blunden
>>        <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>
>>        <mailto:ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote:
>>
>>           Projects have a life cycle. The end of a life cycle (apart form
>>           disappearing into nothingness) is objectification. This means
>>           fixed material representations, including words as signs for a
>>           concept, and social practices which constitute the concepts in
>>           practice. But injects" omy view, concepts and institutions all
>>           pass through a phase of being projects. But I think that even
>>           though calling an institution a project is a bit
>>           counter-intuitive, it gives you a good handle on the
>>        dynamics, the
>>           history and the potential for change.
>>
>>           Andy
>>
>>
>>           White, Phillip wrote:
>>
>>               Andy, you wrote:
>>
>>               "I stick to my position, that "institutions" should be
>>        regarded as
>>               projects, not tools or material artefacts of any kind
>>        (though
>>               artefacts
>>               are needed in the realisation of an institution, such
>>        as signage,
>>               legislation, all kinds of documents, buildings, uniforms,
>>               etc., etc)."
>>
>>               Projects...... an intriguing, to me, idea - institutions as
>>               projects - particularly considering the root of the
>>        word - and
>>               its cousins, like "projectile", etc.
>>
>>               many thanks for this thought.
>>
>>               p
>>
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