Re: [xmca] Further thoughts on Sfard's and Davydov's approaches to learning

[mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>]

Why Ask Andy?
What does Anna say?
:-)
mike

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy, some further thoughts on the topic you opened up on contrasting
> Anna's
> and Davydov's approaches to learning.
> I was not able to download Anna's article because of the way its formatted.
> However I went to Anna's website and have downloaded two of her articles
> and
> also the introductory chapter of her book written in 2008. [The first half
> of this book is elaborating her theoretical position that thinking IS
> communication, as particular forms of discourse]
> She says her approach is similar to Harre's approach to "discursive
> psychology" and both Anna and Harre definitely view thinking in a
> dialogical
> way as a particular form of conversation with one's self.  Anna sees this
> communicative perspective on thinking as learning particular "forms of
> discourse" which have developed historically and now children must learn
> these particular discourse procedures through entering mathematical
> conversations as forms of social interaction in order to learn to think
> "mathematically".
>
> Andy, my understanding of Davydov and Gal'perin is that once  "systems of
> discourse" have developed historically as "systems of meaning" it is far
> more efficient to start from the very beginning to introduce the entire
> system and not build up to the system perspective FROM the more concrete
> procedures such as counting objects.  Therefore measurement [as
> fundamentally relational] is prior to counting.
>
> If I've got these basic premises of Anna's and Davydov's procedures
> accurate, do you see these procedural approaches as complimentary or are
> they challenging each others basic assumptions.   If they are pointing to
> different procedures and assumptions of the best way to approach learning,
> then definitely this is a topic to tease out assumptions about  fundamental
> concepts of learning?
>
> Larry
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