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Nikolai's new video is now available again at:
   http://vimeo.com/17166233
Andy
Nikolai Veresov wrote:
Dear all.
I am sorry, because of technical problems I deleted the video. However, it will be available tomorrow.
Nikolai
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   2. Taking the A out of CHAT (Andy Blunden)
   3. Re: Taking the HAT out of CHAT (mike cole)
   4. Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (C Barker)
   5. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (Temple)
   6. Re: Taking the A out of CHAT (Wagner Schmit)
   7. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (Wagner Schmit)
   8. Re: Taking the A out of CHAT (mike cole)
   9. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (mike cole)
  10. CHAT/SCT - A voice from the past (mike cole)
  11. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (Wagner Schmit)
  12. RE: Nikolai Veresov - why not to talk to him?
      (Achilles Delari Junior)
  13. Re: Nikolai Veresov - lost video? (Temple)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:54:29 +1100
From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
Subject: [xmca] Taking the HAT out of CHAT
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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*Response to Poehner and Lantolf.*

Not being an L2 teacher or any other kind of teacher, I will limit my
comments to Poehner and Lantolf’s attack on philosophy. That they can
quote Vygotsky in support of their cause is neither here nor there, as
Vygotsky’s entire lifetime is testimony to the place he gave to
philosophy in his critique of psychology, and /vice versa/, and the
great admirer of Spinoza could be quoted in the opposite spirit just as
well.

    “... Practice sets the tasks and serves as the supreme judge of
    theory, as its truth criterion. It dictates how to construct the
    concepts and how to formulate the laws.” (Vygotsky, 2004, p. 304)
    Vygotsky concludes that the highest test of a theory is practice and
    that the distinction that had been made between general and applied
    psychology (e.g., industrial, educational psychology) was not only
    invalid but in fact, as he convincingly argued in “The Crisis,”
    applied psychology /is /psychology. This was, for Vygotsky, the full
    implication of Marx’s Eleventh Thesis on Feuerbach for the science
    of psychology: “Marx has said that it was enough for philosophers to
    have interpreted the world, now it’s time to change it” (Vygotsky,
    1997b, pp. 9–10).

The claim that “practice is the truth criterion” for theory is the
position of pragmatism, not Marxism. This may seem like splitting hairs,
after all Marx does say in Thesis 2: “The question whether objective
truth can be attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory
but is a *practical* question. Man must prove the truth ... in practice.
The dispute over the reality or non-reality of thinking which is
isolated from practice is a purely scholastic question.”

But the passage of 150 years has clarified matters. “Applied psychology
/is /psychology,” and the interpretation of Thesis 11, “... it was
enough for philosophers to have interpreted the world, now it’s time to
change it” makes things clear. Thesis 11 is saying that the point of
philosophy is to change the world. In the absence of the socialist
utopia, then, philosophy is not done for. The revolution Vygotsky
wrought in /philosophy/ is testimony enough to that. The cry that the
time for philosophy is past is a call to abandon philosophy.

In this context, L2 theory may be fraught with dualisms, but it seems to
me that there is a fashion nowadays to point to dualisms everywhere
without justification, so I am not impressed with the claim of 20
dualisms which might just as well be 20 valid distinctions. My
suspicions are confirmed when the authors themselves posit a false
dichotomy: “mediation through cultural concepts” versus “mediation
through social interaction.” This is a new dualism to me; probably it is
what lies behind the neologism of “SCT” which the authors use to
supplant CHAT. But more of that later.

What on earth is a “/cultural/ concept”? What are “/non/-cultural
concepts”? And how is an action to be mediated by a (cultural) concept
/other than/ as part of a social interaction.” And what kind of
interactions are /not/ social? And what is it that is being mediated
other than the (social) use of a (cultural) artefact? Is there any other
way of using an artefact other than in the course of a /socially/
meaningful action? How is a “cultural artefact” used without “social
interaction”? How is a “social interaction” effected without the use of
“cultural artefacts” or some other type of non-cultural artefact?

So this is a false dichotomy. But what end does it serve? Well, it
justifies the use of SCT = Socio-Cultural Theory, by (1) inserting
“socio-” usually by contrast with “societal,” (2) dropping the
“Historical” dimension of development, and more importantly (3) dropping
Activity. So we have come full circle. The meaning of the use of Theses
on Feuerbach against itself is to reduce Activity to being the test or
manifestation of Theory. But the opposite is just as valid: Theory is
the manifestation of Activity, a.k.a. Practice.

Andy



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:38:48 +1100
From: Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net>
Subject: [xmca] Taking the A out of CHAT
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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Thanks to Nikolai for the new video:

Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010. Part 1
    http://vimeo.com/17150966
on Cultural Historical Theory (CHT) meaning CHAT minus Leontyev's
Activity Theory.


Andy
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Joint Editor MCA: http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Journal/
Home Page: http://home.mira.net/~andy/
Videos: http://vimeo.com/user3478333/videos
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MIA: http://www.marxists.org



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 09:00:57 -0800
From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Taking the HAT out of CHAT
To: ablunden@mira.net,     "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
    <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Message-ID:
    <AANLkTimx5HSnr+MxWJocfp4R9rd16jBn2hHOY2+rhCN-@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

To met, at least, you ARE splitting hairs, Andy. I would be really helped by understanding the relationship of Dewey and CHAT (at least for Dewey!). What is Dewey's great failing from a Marxist perspective? What did he get wrong?

They share a lot, it seems to me. So what have I got wrong?

mike



On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

*Response to Poehner and Lantolf.*

Not being an L2 teacher or any other kind of teacher, I will limit my
comments to Poehner and Lantolf’s attack on philosophy. That they can quote Vygotsky in support of their cause is neither here nor there, as Vygotsky’s
entire lifetime is testimony to the place he gave to philosophy in his
critique of psychology, and /vice versa/, and the great admirer of Spinoza
could be quoted in the opposite spirit just as well.

  “... Practice sets the tasks and serves as the supreme judge of
  theory, as its truth criterion. It dictates how to construct the
  concepts and how to formulate the laws.” (Vygotsky, 2004, p. 304)
  Vygotsky concludes that the highest test of a theory is practice and
  that the distinction that had been made between general and applied
  psychology (e.g., industrial, educational psychology) was not only
  invalid but in fact, as he convincingly argued in “The Crisis,”
  applied psychology /is /psychology. This was, for Vygotsky, the full
  implication of Marx’s Eleventh Thesis on Feuerbach for the science
  of psychology: “Marx has said that it was enough for philosophers to
  have interpreted the world, now it’s time to change it” (Vygotsky,
  1997b, pp. 9–10).

The claim that “practice is the truth criterion” for theory is the position of pragmatism, not Marxism. This may seem like splitting hairs, after all
Marx does say in Thesis 2: “The question whether objective truth can be
attributed to human thinking is not a question of theory but is a
*practical* question. Man must prove the truth ... in practice. The dispute over the reality or non-reality of thinking which is isolated from practice
is a purely scholastic question.”

But the passage of 150 years has clarified matters. “Applied psychology /is /psychology,” and the interpretation of Thesis 11, “... it was enough for
philosophers to have interpreted the world, now it’s time to change it”
makes things clear. Thesis 11 is saying that the point of philosophy is to change the world. In the absence of the socialist utopia, then, philosophy
is not done for. The revolution Vygotsky wrought in /philosophy/ is
testimony enough to that. The cry that the time for philosophy is past is a
call to abandon philosophy.

In this context, L2 theory may be fraught with dualisms, but it seems to me that there is a fashion nowadays to point to dualisms everywhere without justification, so I am not impressed with the claim of 20 dualisms which might just as well be 20 valid distinctions. My suspicions are confirmed
when the authors themselves posit a false dichotomy: “mediation through
cultural concepts” versus “mediation through social interaction.” This is a new dualism to me; probably it is what lies behind the neologism of “SCT”
which the authors use to supplant CHAT. But more of that later.

What on earth is a “/cultural/ concept”? What are “/non/-cultural
concepts”? And how is an action to be mediated by a (cultural) concept
/other than/ as part of a social interaction.” And what kind of interactions
are /not/ social? And what is it that is being mediated other than the
(social) use of a (cultural) artefact? Is there any other way of using an artefact other than in the course of a /socially/ meaningful action? How is a “cultural artefact” used without “social interaction”? How is a “social interaction” effected without the use of “cultural artefacts” or some other
type of non-cultural artefact?

So this is a false dichotomy. But what end does it serve? Well, it
justifies the use of SCT = Socio-Cultural Theory, by (1) inserting “socio-” usually by contrast with “societal,” (2) dropping the “Historical” dimension of development, and more importantly (3) dropping Activity. So we have come full circle. The meaning of the use of Theses on Feuerbach against itself is to reduce Activity to being the test or manifestation of Theory. But the opposite is just as valid: Theory is the manifestation of Activity, a.k.a.
Practice.

Andy


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:03:08 +0000
From: "C Barker" <C.Barker@mmu.ac.uk>
Subject: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video?
To: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Message-ID: <4CED454C02000088000753C2@gwmail.ncs.mmu.ac.uk>
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Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. Alas, this was the message:

' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010. Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We
have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. '

Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk?

Colin B


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:21:27 -0500
From: Temple <tub80742@temple.edu>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video?
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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http://vimeo.com/10069459


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" <C.Barker@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:

Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. Alas, this was the message:

' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010. Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010. We
have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. '

Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk?

Colin B


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:57:33 -0200
From: Wagner Schmit <mcfion@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Taking the A out of CHAT
To: ablunden@mira.net,     "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
    <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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Hello,

The video was deleted?

Wagner

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

Thanks to Nikolai for the new video:

Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010. Part 1
  http://vimeo.com/17150966
on Cultural Historical Theory (CHT) meaning CHAT minus Leontyev's Activity
Theory.


Andy
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 16:59:55 -0200
From: Wagner Schmit <mcfion@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video?
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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    <AANLkTinXp5nBFKMeMHszTyMnkZr9PYxRyFms5N8s523A@mail.gmail.com>
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This is another Video from veresov, not the one andy talked about.. is it
lost?

Wagner

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Temple <tub80742@temple.edu> wrote:

http://vimeo.com/10069459


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" <C.Barker@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:

> Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. Alas,
this was the message:
>
> ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010.
Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010.  We
> have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. '
>
> Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk?
>
> Colin B
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:18:55 -0800
From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Taking the A out of CHAT
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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There was some glitch in the video and nick took it down, a sleepy andy
wrote.
Should be interesting to learn that activity was irrelevant to Vygotsky!
Just what he was
accused of by his critics? Should be interesting. Poor Dewey will get left
holding the activity bag!
:-)
mike













On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Wagner Schmit <mcfion@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

The video was deleted?

Wagner

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Thanks to Nikolai for the new video:
>
> Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010. Part 1
>   http://vimeo.com/17150966
> on Cultural Historical Theory (CHT) meaning CHAT minus Leontyev's
Activity
> Theory.
>
>
> Andy
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:20:20 -0800
From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video?
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Message-ID:
    <AANLkTim88L0P2RGfxPj-7pOnGbEQMy1wBig9VoADkFdi@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Temple @ temple! its back, and 49 mins long.
and thanks Nick for posting (assuming you were the poster!)
mike

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Temple <tub80742@temple.edu> wrote:

http://vimeo.com/10069459


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" <C.Barker@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:

> Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. Alas,
this was the message:
>
> ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010.
Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010.  We
> have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. '
>
> Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk?
>
> Colin B
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:37:11 -0800
From: mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
Subject: [xmca] CHAT/SCT - A voice from the past
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture,Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Cc: Luis Moll <moll@u.arizona.edu>
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    <AANLkTin98iu1FuTZAQh-6gZF4kv_ONzC_sPDF6_GuBMb@mail.gmail.com>
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I know some people who care a lot to distinguish CHAT and SCT. I wonder if
there is any consensus on what the critical differences
are between them. Here is what I wrote at the Sociocultural Conference in
Madrid about 1994 where Jim Wertsch, who edited the 1981
book on Soviet activity theory, as a major player and lead editor on the
subsequent volume - socicultural theories of mind.

More than 15 years have passed since this was written. I may have been dead
wrong then and making the same argument now
may seem really mistaken. You will see traces of this same discussion in
various messages being posted around the P&L article.

How should I proceed to find out?? Where are all the L2 people here to help us out here? Other than publishers in applied linguistics preferring SCT, what's in those names that makes people get irritated with each other? Who
are the bad people? What are the
special virtues of the good people?

mike
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For the past several years I have been striving, with rather limited
success, to understand the intellectual issues that divide the Vygotskian
and activity theory approaches, as well as the division between activity

theorists who follow Leont'ev and those who follow Rubinshtein. This task is complicated because, insofar as I can understand, contemporary followers of Leont'ev continue to adhere to the major principles articulated by Vygotsky,
Luria, and Leont'ev in the 1920s and early 1930s, arguing in effect that
Vygotsky was an activity theorist, although he focused less on issues of the object-oriented nature of activity than on processes of mediation in his own work (Engestrorn, 1987; Hyden, 1984). Followers ofRubinshtein, on the other
hand, deny that Vygotsky was an activity theorist and tax him with
"signocentricisrn," which in the overheated debates of the last decade of
Soviet power seemed to

be roughly equivalent to "idealist," a sin at that time (Brushlinsky, 1968). At the same time, they criticized Leont'ev for placing too much emphasis on
activity as external conditions, likening him to a behaviorist
(Abulkhanova-Slavskaya, 1980).

I do not want to minimize the possible scientific benefits to be derived
from attempting to understand these disagreements more thoroughly, although
I am not certain how productive such attempts will

be for non-Russian psychologists. From existing historiographical evidence, debates among Russian adherents of these various positions appear to have
been tightly bound up with the wrenching political

upheavals that racked the Soviet Union repeatedly between 1917 and 1991 (and
which arc by no means over) (Van der Veer & Valsiner, 1991). What I am
almost positive of, however, is that it would not be

productive for adherents of the various positions to carry those battles
into the international sphere except insofar as they have international
intellectual merit.

What most concerns me is that for whatever combination of reasons, there has not yet been close cooperation on an international scale among psychologists who work under the banner of activity theory and those who use some version
of the concept of sociocultural psychology as

their conceptual icon. At the first Activity Theory Congress in Berlin in 1986, there was only one major address that took the work of Vygotsky and
Luria to be coequally relevant to the proceedings with that

of Leont'ev, and individual talks that proceeded from a more or less
Vygotskian perspective were relatively rare. At the second Activity Theory Congress in 1990, there was a far richer mix of viewpoints, but many of the
people prominent in organizing the current meeting in Madrid were
preoccupied with preparatory work for the current meeting and did not
contribute.

It would be most unfortunate if adherents of the various streams of
psychological thinking whose history I have sketched were to continue their
work in isolation from each other. The common intellectual issues facing
different streams of cultural-historical, sociocultural, activity based
conceptions of human nature are too difficult to yield to piecemeal efforts.
It is time for those who have come to questions about the
socio-cultural-historical constitution of human nature to join in a
cooperative search for their common past and to initiate cooperative efforts
to address the difficult intellectual issues and staggering national and
international problems facing humanity in the post-Cold War era.


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:43:00 -0200
From: Wagner Schmit <mcfion@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video?
To: lchcmike@gmail.com,     "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
    <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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    <AANLkTikzgjkzWoRnUa1+1fAaWVjNff6cNBfu3hBscBYp@mail.gmail.com>
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The link from temple sends me to the "thinking and speech" video...

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:20 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Temple @ temple! its back, and 49 mins long.
and thanks Nick for posting (assuming you were the poster!)
mike

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Temple <tub80742@temple.edu> wrote:

> http://vimeo.com/10069459
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" <C.Barker@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video.
Alas,
> this was the message:
> >
> > ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29,
2010.
> Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010.  We
> > have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. '
> >
> > Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk?
> >
> > Colin B
> >
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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 19:49:39 +0000
From: Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - why not to talk to him?
To: <lchcmike@gmail.com>, <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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This is the Nikolai's last e-mail that I have: nveresov@yandex.ru
I don't know if this can help for something. I hope everybody stay all right. Spite TCP/IP problems, or be what this could really be.
Best wishes.

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 11:20:20 -0800
Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video?
From: lchcmike@gmail.com
To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu

Thanks Temple @ temple! its back, and 49 mins long.
and thanks Nick for posting (assuming you were the poster!)
mike

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Temple <tub80742@temple.edu> wrote:

> http://vimeo.com/10069459
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" <C.Barker@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> > Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video. Alas,
> this was the message:
> >
> > ' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29, 2010.
> Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010.  We
> > have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. '
> >
> > Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk?
> >
> > Colin B
> >
> >
> > Before acting on this email or opening any attachments you should read
> the Manchester
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 14:51:59 -0500
From: Temple <tub80742@temple.edu>
Subject: Re: [xmca] Nikolai Veresov - lost video?
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
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Yes, apologies for that. I posted NV's older video prematurely. The newest NV video remains at-large.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Wagner Schmit <mcfion@gmail.com> wrote:

The link from temple sends me to the "thinking and speech" video...

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:20 PM, mike cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Temple @ temple! its back, and 49 mins long.
and thanks Nick for posting (assuming you were the poster!)
mike

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Temple <tub80742@temple.edu> wrote:

http://vimeo.com/10069459


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 24, 2010, at 12:03 PM, "C Barker" <C.Barker@mmu.ac.uk> wrote:

Being a bit of a fan of N V, I went to the site to watch the video.
Alas,
this was the message:

' Sorry, "Lecture of Nikolai Veresov, Taiwan seminar, October, 29,
2010.
Part 1." was deleted at 8:10:21 Wed Nov 24, 2010.  We
have no more information about it on our mainframe or elsewhere. '

Any idea how we might still get to watch the talk?

Colin B


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