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Re: [xmca] ideology: easy access web page



Hi,
To me representation corresponds to brain activity, which is essential to both overt and covert processes human engage in.
Vera
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
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Subject: Re: [xmca] ideology: easy access web page


Well these pragraphs are interesting, but my only problem for having a CHAT concept of ideology is that the writer takes *representation *as the most fundamental category, and defines other concepts in terms of representation. But in CHAT, representation is not the fundamental category, which would rather be *activity*. And it is hardly a big struggle to define *institutions *in terms of activity. The problem is more how to conceive of representation in terms of activity. And I think there are very good reasons to have activity as a fundamental category and representation as a derivative concept.

Andy

Larry Purss wrote:
Hi Andy & others

You mentioned that ideology is institutionalized consciousness, or that
institutionalization is inherently an aspect of consciousness and each are
inseparable from one another.

I'm wondering if this framing of ideology can be linked to notions of
"social representations" Mike recommended the book "knowledge in Context by
Sandra Jovchelovich and her definition of SOCIAL representations [in
contrast to cognitive notions of representation] seems to parallel the
discussion of ideology.
Her definition of representation:

To represent is to make present what is actually absent, through the use of symbols... Representation is at the basis of the construction of languages,
and the acquisition of speech, and is crucial to establishing the
interrelations that constitute the social order and is the material through
which cultures form and are transformed across time [history] and space."

She further writes
Representation is the basis of inclusion and exclusion - who is and who is
not represented and underlies the very core of the knowledge of ourselves
and the world. Very few representations reach verity [a true depiction of
the world]. Even when there is a high level of consensus within he culture,
there is always some dissent from others proposing alternative
representations.  What constitutes truth and reality is informed by
representations which are always precarious and unstable.... Much of the
tension and disputes over representations can be explained by an underlying
tendency to focus solely on its epistemic function [the ability of
representation to produce knowledge ABOUT the world]  There is a strong
tendency to equate the epistemic function of representation with cognition and to ERASE from the representational process its connection with persons
and contexts.  When this happens, representation is reduced to a mental
epistemic phenomenon, ruled by information processing functions [mechanisms]
that cognitive models call "mind".... The MULTIDIMENSIONAL aspects of
representation, which are clearly visible in its social psychological
GENESIS and social foundations are RENDERED INVISIBLE.

Ideology and "social representations" as concepts seem to share similar
roots.

Larry

It was good to see that a German speaker read this passage the same way I
have, because there are multiple translations of the passage. But if we take
the line that ideology is institutionalised consciousness, or that
institutionalisation is inherently an aspect of consciousness and each are
inseparable from one another in general, then this problematic concept of
"false consciousness" disappears. It is simply a matter of the practical
critique of forms of social practice, of what deserves to be defended and
what should be brought down.
Andy <Andy@mira.net>

mike cole wrote:


 Once Lucas set me off looking at that interesting webpage of Teun van

Dijk,
I realized that an inquiry
into people's uses of the term, ideology, could take us ANYWHERE. So,
thinking of anywhere, I thought in
particular of Raymond Williams' KEYWORD which is on my home bookshelf, and
sure enough, the entry there
on ideology was interesting.

Then I wondered if there was a web version so I could add that to the
discussion in an easy-to-access way and,
voila, as they say, I came up with the following;

http://www.autodidactproject.org/other/ideo8.html



mike
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