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Re: [xmca] Concepts of ideology
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- From: Jenna McWilliams <jennamcjenna@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 23:11:26 -0400
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Hi Mike,
I didn't find a firm definition of ideology on a quick scan of my copy
of Freire, but I did find this interesting wielding of 'ideology' in
the 30th anniversary introduction to the book by Donald Macedo:
"One question that I have for all those 'highly literate' academics
who find Giroux's and Freire's discourse so difficult to understand
is, Why is it that a sixteen-year-old boy and a poor, 'semiliterate'
woman could so easily understand and connect with the complexity of
both Freire and Giroux's language and ideas, and the academics, who
should be the most literate, find the language incomprehensible?
""I believe that the answer has little to do with language and
everything to do with ideology. That is, people often identify with
representations that they are either comfortable with or that help
deepened their understanding of themselves. The call for language
clarity is an ideological issue, not merely a linguistic one. The
sixteen-year-old and the semiliterate poor woman could readily connect
with Freire's ideology, whereas the highlight literate academics are
'put off' by some dimensions of the same ideology."
While this isn't precisely what you were looking for, what I'm posting
next is even FARTHER from what you requested. I am an enormous fan of
Gee's discussion of ideology in the beginning of the 2nd edition of
Social Linguistics & Literacies (this discussion was dropped out of
the third edition, though I have it on good authority that at least
some of it will be coming back in the fourth edition):
"To many people, ideology is what other people have when they
perversely insist on taking the 'wrong' viewpoint on an issue. Our own
viewpoint, on the other hand, always seems to us simply to be 'right.'
'Ideology' and 'dogmatic' are, thus, terms which, for many, go hand-in-
hand. Sometimes, however, the term 'ideology' is used in a less
negative way, just to mean the ideas, beliefs, principles and values a
person has. Nonetheless, ideology, even in this sense, has for some
people a slight negative tinge: why get caught up, they ask, in (high-
falutin') ideas when what really counts are facts? People who spend
too much time thinking about ideas are, it may be claimed, prone to
get out of touch with the 'real' world. It turns out taht this
dichotomous contrast between 'ideas' and 'facts,' between 'theory' and
'experience,' has played a major role in the historical development of
the meanings of the term 'ideology,' as it has also in the politics of
power."
The rest of this chapter considers two classic rhetorical stages, or
'moments,' in the history of the word 'ideology.' For Gee, these
moments are associated with Napoleon and with Marx. The text is far
too long for me to include here, but I think it's worth a read or two.
Unfortunately unhelpfully,
Jenna
On Sep 22, 2010, at 10:50 PM, mike cole wrote:
David's interesting discussion of the meanings of "ideology" got me
wondering about the relation of the conception used by Vygotsky and
other
conceptions. Could anyone help me by looking in *Pedagogy of the
Oppressed"
and posting Friere's definition of ideology? I remember it being
interesting
but my copy has gone missing.
For those interested, the discussion by Geertz may also be relevant:
http://www.gongfa.com/geertz1.htm
mike
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