Re: [xmca] Honestly....

[Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com>]

Andy
I am not sure that I agree with you about there being no innate drive.
There is psychological data to show that orphan children, who are simply
dumped in a cot and has no interaction with a caregiver (except for getting
a bottle) either grow up impoverished socially, or worse, die. Luckily,
since we know that, crèches are a bit more caring.
Carol

On 26 April 2010 16:52, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:

> Eric, I think it quite possible to hold at the same time different
> positions on intersubjectivity and on the question of innate/acquired. There
> is no doubt that there are social animals whose sociality is innate and who
> can therefore acquire new skills socially. But I believe CHAT is a current
> of thought which holds that becoming human is possible only through
> interaction with other people using culturally acquired artefacts (i.e.,
> intersubjectivity plus artefacts), but even the tendency to engage in
> interaction is acquired only because other human beings around the child
> "summon" the child to interaction. There is no innate drive to sociality in
> human beings. A. I. Meshcheryakov's book is definitive on this question I
> believe.
>
> Does that answer your question, Eric? I wasn't sure I got your meaning
> exactly.
>
> Andy
>
>
> ERIC.RAMBERG@spps.org wrote:
>
>> ....didn't realize equating Piaget with intersubjectivity would create a
>> conflaguration of misunderstanding.
>>
>> Am I incorrect in my understanding of intersubjectivity?  I believe it to
>> be based on innate abilities rather than appropriated skills.  Perhaps
>> Bahktin did not write on this, I must admit I am shallow in my understanding
>> of Bahktin.
>>
>> Initially in my study of LSV and the CHAT tradition I was a person who
>> prioritized innate abilities but as I have studied and practiced teaching I
>> have come to  realize that being human IS developed via interactions and
>> attachments.  Biological genetics must play into it but I have a hard time
>> believing that intersubjectivity is biological in nature.
>>
>> Am I talking in circles or drowing in misunderstanding?
>>
>> eric
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