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Re: [xmca] dualism



OK, Ill work my way through them.
andy

mike cole wrote:
As i hinted in my earlier note, Andy, I thought people would find it both
interesting and find things to disagree with. The person who most surprised me was Tim Ingold whose work I greatly admire. While he went after, for example, the "social vs ecological" dualism, he did not use the term, culture, once in his talk. Very surprising.
mike

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:

    I wonder if you could offer any hints, Mike. I started listening to
    one of the brain-freaks, and to be honest I got bored. Though the
    production values were good. There is so much of this idiocy around.
    Is there some good people there (apart from good ol' Steven Rose)?

    I recently reviewed a collection of articles around this area
    ("Psychology's Territories") for "Theory & Psychology," covering
    "both sides" of the debate, which had some interesting takes on the
    question, some great stuff from historians of science. But in
    reading one of the "ruthless reductionists" (Wolfgang Prinz), I
    realized that Vygotsky offered us what I think is a good angle for
    making some kind of a bridge to these people that think that
    consciousness is an illusion. I think we should agree with them. But
    we should say,

    "Yes, it's an illusion but one which nonetheless allows us to
    survive and prosper (they'll agree with that) and it's an illusion
    which can be studied scientifically (perking up their interest). My
    consciousness is an illusion (well, an appearance really, because it
    is not mistaken), but for me, *your* consciousness is real
    (surprise, interest), and by observing your behaviour I can even
    tell what's in it. But I seriously doubt that you will ever figure
    out what's in it by looking at physiology. If it's an illusion, what
    do you expect to find in brain tissue?"

    What do you think?
    Andy

    mike cole wrote:

        Thanks Andy-- Politzer is a very interesting figure in the
        Vygotskiana world.

        If you have not done so, i really recommend the talks at the
        Danish Conf
        on meaning beyond the brain both for a lot you can agree with
        and news from interesting folks you have probably not
        encountered that you might or might agree with. Interesting in
        all events.

        http://www.dpu.dk/site.aspx?p=14668

        mike

        On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net
        <mailto:ablunden@mira.net> <mailto:ablunden@mira.net
        <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>>> wrote:

           A FaceBook friend recently drew my attention to this fascinating
           commentary on Descartes by the early Marxist Psychologist, George
           Politzer:

http://marx.org/archive/politzer/works/1937/descartes-tricentennial.htm

           Andy
           Martin Packer wrote:

               Can you give some textual evidence for this statement,
        Michael?

               Martin


               On Feb 26, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Michael Glassman wrote:

                   Martin, David, Jorge, all

                   .But
                   these organizational structures are definitely inside
        of the
                   head for
                   Vygotsky so there really is no way for him to escape
        dualism.



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