Hi Martin, I'm not sure what you mean. I think the idea of organizing principles being inside the head (appropriated through the culture for sure) runs through Vygotsky. I suppose James Wertsch has the best summation of this, quoting from Chapter 6 in Vygotsky and the Social Formation of Mind. "According to Vygotsky's general genetic law of cultural development, all higher mental functions appear first on the interpsychological plane and then on the intrapsychological plane. This claim is central to Vygotsky's approach but the processes it entails have not been examined in any great detail. Vygotsky was most specific about it in connection with his account of egocentric and inner speech where he analyzed the forms of semiotic mediation that make possible the transition from interpsychological to intrapsychological functioning. In that analysis, however, he focused almost exclusively on the latter." (emphasis mine). Sorry for any mistakes, I transcribed this from another page and my short term memory is possible. But I agree with Wertsch here, there are intrapsychological functionings, and once you posit intrapsychological functionings, especially in terms of mediation (which I would say in its essence is an organizing principle) that there is pretty much no way you can escape some form of dualism. Wertsch goes on to talk about the relationship between say the adult and the child with the child thinking differently about the situation than the adult. What allows for development I guess is intersubjectivity, but intersubjectivity does not mean that there is no dualism - partly because it does not seem to be a natural state but a negotiation - and once the child has appropriated what is important from the situation will move to the next situation with important mediating principles on the intrapsychological plane. I'm actually not sure how you make the argument that Vygotsky was not dealing with dualism, the idea of individual development (even if socially driven) seems to me to be too important to him. Michael ________________________________ From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Martin Packer Sent: Sat 2/27/2010 10:18 PM To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity Subject: Re: [xmca] conservation Can you give some textual evidence for this statement, Michael? Martin On Feb 26, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Michael Glassman wrote: > Martin, David, Jorge, all > > .But > these organizational structures are definitely inside of the head for > Vygotsky so there really is no way for him to escape dualism. > > _______________________________________________ xmca mailing list xmca@weber.ucsd.edu http://dss.ucsd.edu/mailman/listinfo/xmca
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