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Re: [xmca] About emotions - compilation from nov. 24 to dec. 01 - 2009
Peter
these musings are very important to me and I do not have a particular perspective on the spatial or temporal frames of viewing phenomenological conversation.
At this point in time I am using a criteria of pragmatic usefulness when considering these types of questions. These thoughts are just musings.
I have wondered about GAZE theory (as viewed by Foulcault as the GAZE which objectifies us) and the metaphor of gaze (recognizing the other as foundational for the formation of self and identity)
In the moment to moment here (spatial) and now (temporal) the gaze can be objectifying or connecting. In working with an autistic boy, with this question in my mind) I was wondering if my interactions were intersubjective or subjugating. I could not "KNOW" until I shared an experience (cognitive and emotional) which emerged when he smiled at me and I experienced a moment of connection. I could have seen his body tense up and his eyes become averted and his body would have indicated this was an oppressive moment of disconnection.
This particular example at the micro level of analysis is also played out at the meso and macro levels.
So... the question of "multiple selves" or "aspects of a single self". Are they moving towards "coherence" and "integration" or rather is it more useful to see the multivocal self (or selves) as becoming more differentiated and decentered.
When seeing identity as more fluid and the relational attunement as central (whether cultural attunement or affective attunement) the result is the creation of a shared "open space" or "holding environment" which generates VITALITY AND ENGAGEMENT. This is the pragmatic reflective perspective which I muse about.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Feigenbaum <pfeigenbaum@fordham.edu>
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: [xmca] About emotions - compilation from nov. 24 to dec. 01 - 2009
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Cc: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
> Hi, Larry.
>
> I must confess that I'm unfamiliar with Steve Odin's book and
> his attempt
> to relate
> Zen Buddhism and American Pragmatism, but it strikes me as a
> fascinatingenterprise. That he should place the relation between
> the "I" and the "me"
> at the
> center of his thinking seems quite reasonable to me. LSV did the same
> thing, in
> my opinion, by placing private speech at the center of his
> theory of the
> development of the higher psychological processes.
>
> A question that keeps returning to me as I study private speech
> developmentis: "Who is talking to Whom?". At first, I was
> swayed by the writings of
> R. D. Laing
> to believe that each individual has many different "selves", and that
> private
> speech enables one to connect these selves by puttting them into
> verbalcontact
> with one another. In that way, the various selves can become
> integratedinto one
> personality, one identity. But later, I began to wonder if it is
> a mistake
> to look upon
> the various selves from a *spatial* perspective; perhaps there
> is only one
> "self",
> and it is in a *temporal* relation with the "self" of one moment
> and the
> "self" of
> the next moment. That is, we each "lead ourself" down a path
> using private
> speech.
> That latter interpretation fits better with the kind of private
> speech that
> children emit
> when they are alone and trying to solve a challenging cognitive
> problem.
> At present, I'm not sure if it makes much difference which of
> those two
> perspectives
> one chooses, for neither resolves the question of who is
> speaking to whom.
> So
> perhaps it is more productive to look at the form of relation
> that binds
> the speaker
> and the listener together.
>
> If private speech activity is, indeed, a form of conversational
> activity,then both
> the "I" and the "me" are being placed into a social relation by
> virtue of
> the social
> conventions that cultures have created for conducting and managing
> conversation.
> >From the perspective of the *development* of private and inner
> speech, LSV
> places greater emphasis on the inward movement from speech to thought
> (i.e., listening)
> than on the outward movement from thought to speech (i.e.,
> speaking). To
> me, that
> suggests that he saw the "me" as more of a focal point than the
> "I" where
> private speech
> conversation is concerned. Private speech is not so much about
> the self who
> is speaking,
> but about the self who is the intended listener.
>
> I doubt that any of these musings are going to be of any help to
> you, but
> since you
> were curious . . . .
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> Larry Purss
> <lpurss@shaw.ca>
> Sent by: To
> xmca-bounces@webe "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity"
> r.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> cc
>
> 12/02/2009 01:13 Subject
> PM Re: [xmca] About emotions -
> compilation from nov. 24 to dec. 01
> - 2009
> Please respond to
> "eXtended Mind,
> Culture,
> Activity"
> <xmca@weber.ucsd.
> edu>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Peter
> Your question about the RELATION between language and emotion triggers
> another relational question that goes back to Mead and the "I -me"
> dialectic.
> A scholar named Steve Odin has constructed an elaborate conversation
> between the discourses of Zen Buddhism and American
> Pragmatism. He
> documents the "social turn" in contempory elaborations of Zen Buddhist
> psychology.
> The question at the heart of his book "The Social Turn in Zen
> Buddhism and
> American Pragmatism" is the cultural-historical mediation of the
> RELATIONBETWEEN the "I" and the "ME" in the phenomenology of our
> "selves". This
> perspective puts relational and sociocultural perspectives at
> the heart of
> phenomenology and the heart of subjectivity. Constructs
> such as
> "relational" "process" dynamic" need to be interpreted within
> differentdiscourses and disciplines but to me the common theme
> is the movement
> beyond a worldview of "possessive" individualism, (what Anna
> Sfard calls
> the "aquisitional" epistemology) to an emerging "participatory"
> epistemology and worldview.
>
> Larry
>
> Just wondering and curious
>
> Original Message -----
> From: Peter Feigenbaum <pfeigenbaum@fordham.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009 8:47 am
> Subject: Re: [xmca] About emotions - compilation from nov. 24 to
> dec. 01 -
> 2009
> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> Cc: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu
>
> > Wow. Thanks, Achilles, for providing such a stimulating topic for
> > discussion.
> > The contributions from the group have supplied marvelous food
> > for thought.
> >
> > One idea that this discussion evoked in me that was not really
> > touched upon
> > by others concerns the relation between language and emotion.
> I was
> > reminded
> > of John Dore (a linguist who investigated the development of
> > children'sconversational skills), who used to tell his students
> > that "emotion rides
> > on the
> > back of words". He believed a speaker's tone of voice
> > communicates an
> > emotional message, and that the words chosen are intended to
> > reinforce that
> > emotional message with cognitive content.
> >
> > At least, that's the case when adults speak to children. To
> make the
> > message
> > easier to understand, adults tend to formulate their speech to
> > children in
> > such
> > a way as to make the verbal message consistent with the tone-
> of-voice
> > message.
> > This consistency between the two channels makes the
> > emotional message less
> > complicated for children to grasp. Adult-to-adult speech, on
> the other
> > hand, often
> > involves messages that conflict, with the tone of voice
> > communicating an
> > emotional
> > message that is inconsistent with the linguistic expression.
> > Using these
> > channels
> > strategically makes it possible to communicate an emotional
> > message of one
> > kind (for example, communion) with a verbal message that is in
> > some way at
> > odds
> > with it (such as non-compliance).
> >
> > This state of affairs makes me think that expressing emotion is
> > very much
> > at the
> > functional heart or center of human verbal communication, and
> > that the
> > development
> > of word meaning introduces the possibility of both extending that
> > expression into
> > the cognitive domain where it can be further articulated, and also
> > complicating it
> > by surrounding it with additional messages.
> >
> > Anyway, thanks again for the thoroughly enjoyable thread!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Peter
> >
> > Peter Feigenbaum, Ph.D.
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> >
>
> > Achilles Delari
>
> > Junior
>
> > <achilles_delari@
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>
> > Sent by: <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>, Achilles
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> > xmca-bounces@webe Delari Junior
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> > 12/01/2009 10:35
> Subject
> > PM [xmca] About emotions -
> compilation
> > from nov. 24 to dec. 01 - 2009
>
> >
>
> > Please respond to
>
> > "eXtended Mind,
>
> > Culture,
>
> > Activity"
>
> > <xmca@weber.ucsd.
>
> > edu>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi XMCA,
> >
> > I compiled all the posts to "XMCA - ABOUT EMOTIONS",
> > includind "emotion and culture" and all related to topic.
> > from November, 24 to December, 01, 2009. There was
> > 82 posts, in chronological order, with all authors indenti-
> > fication, in pdf format - 46 pages.
> >
> > If you wish.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Achilles.
> >
> > P.S. I can update later.
> >
> >
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