To tell the truth Louise, there are a couple of names I don't know and
half a dozen I know so little about I don't know why they're included
... or not. Two of the three "outcomes" are people who think humans
are a type of computer, so I am not surpised that this genealogy is
odd to me. But there is sooooo much out there. So much to read. :(
Up till a few weeks ago I thought that starting with Descartes was not
justified, but I take that back now. But somehow, Rene's nemesis,
Aristotle, needs to be included as well.
I don't know anything about Vico, but I find Locke, Berkeley and
Leibniz to be rather peripheral to *our* story.
Kant certainly deserves an important place, but I think his nemesis,
Goethe, may be more important for us.
Fichte is actually the inventor of Activity as a philosophical concept
(I just learnt that Hegel asked to be buried next to Fichte; like
Goethe, very under recognized in the Anglophone world).
Hegel is the inventor of Cultural Psychology, so agreed there.
I think Stirner and Mach are total diversions from our tradition. But
maybe someone can explain to me their role.
Wundt and Dilthey are important, though I don't know them well.
Feuerbach is a bit of a footnote, but if you're going to have
Feuerbach, you've gotta have Moses Hess, author of "Philosophy of the
Deed", and inspiration for "Theses on Feuerbach". Of course if you
think Frege, Russell and Turing are important to the genealogy of
CHAT, then you wouldn't want Hess.
MARX, obviously, in CAPS.
And I would have lines from a whole bunch of people going to Dewey, as
well as Peirce and Mead, but even though Peirce was the elder, I don't
think you can give him such priority. Dewey surely was the leader.
And where are the Gestaltists? Again, not for computer cognition, but
there needs to be lines between Goethe and Kant and then to von
Ehrenfels, and on to Koehler and Co.
Russian linguists like Potebnya, but I don't know where they came from.
And these threads are all tied together with LS Vygotsky, yes?
Freud has to be mentioned (I forget his sources), with arrows to
Luria. And after Vygotsky and Luria you have ANL and thus to present
I guess, you can't leave out Piaget, and I don't know Piaget's sources.
I know some people rate Merleau-Ponty, but if you're going to give
Merleau-Pony a seat, you have to put in Lukacs and Horkheimer. I guess
Habermas for discourse ethics, etc.
I have no idea why Husserl and Heidegger get a mention. I my humble
opinion, as clever as they might be, their impact on Activity Theory
has only been negative.
I have no idea why Bergson is mentioned: was he a source for Piaget?
Don't know why Nietzsche is there. Interesting guy, but so are many
others. Why von Uexhill?
I agree that Wittgenstein rates a mention, though I don't know how
much of a source he has been for us. He is some kind of version of
Frege, Russell and Turing are nothing to do with CHAT. What about
Never heard of Maturana.
That's my reaction,
Louise Hawkins wrote:
I remember seeing this diagram a number of years ago, and I found it
useful as a big picture diagram to get my head around the significant
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Subject: [xmca] Arne Raeithel's "genealogy"
I never found this map very useful to be honest.
mike cole wrote:
Have you found Arne Raeithel's "genealogy" of cultural-historical,
activity theory thinkers from several years back. I am sure it is
somewhere at lchc.ucsd.edu <http://lchc.ucsd.edu>. Perhaps you (and
Andy, and.....) could update it with
more detail. Hegel generated so much that has been "laundered" by
subsequent "original" thinkers its totally amazing, and ditto Mead
(whose writings i know far better, although very inadequately).
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