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RE: [xmca] Translation doubt


Is the difficulty in the second sentence -- about whether education (or
vospitanie = "upbringing") _can_ or _cannot_ be defined as the
artificial development of the human young? Surely the Vygotskian point
of view is that it can.

I don't know Spanish or Portuguese, but it looks like the translators
may have misread the Russian же, implying emphasis, for не implying the

Just a guess...


>>> Achilles Delari Junior <achilles_delari@hotmail.com> 03/20/09 6:17
PM >>>

A forth language:

18. Инструментальный
метод изучает ребенка не только развивающегося, но и воспитуемого, видя в
существенное отличие истории человеческого детеныша. Воспитание же может
опредлено как искусственное развитие ребенка. Воспитание есть искусственное
овладение естественными процессами развития. Воспитание не только влияет
на те
или иные процессы развития, но перестраивает самым существенным образом все
функции поведения. 

My personal impression I have send to you in Portuguese, Fernanda.

Best wishes.

> From: liberali@uol.com.br
> To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:16:16 -0300
> Subject: [xmca] Translation doubt
> Dear colleagues,
> My research group in Brazil is writing a book on Vygotsky's most
important concepts, from an Applied Linguistics perspective. In order to
do so we have been reading his work and comparing different
translations: The Brazilian versions, Obras Escogidas and The Collected
Works. There was a passage in the text: The Instrumental Method in
Psychology (1930), which has a different (almost contradictory
translation) in the version in English in relation to the same passage
in Portuguese and Spanish. Could any speaker of Russian please check
that for us? The passage in the three languages is underlined below.
> I thank you in advance.
> Best regards,
> Fernanda Liberali
> The Collected works: Volume 3: Chapter 5: The Instrumental Method in
Psychology, page 88
> 18. The instrumental method studies the child not only as a
developing, but also as an educable being. lt sees in this the essential
distinguishing feature of the history of the human young. Education may
be defined as the artificial development of the child. Education is the
artificial mastery of natural processes of development. Education not
only influences certain processes of development, but structures all
functions of behavior in a most essential manner.
> Obras Escogidas: Tomo 1: El método instrumental en psicología: pagina
> 18. El método instrumental no sólo estudia al niño que se desarrolla,
sino al que se educa, hecho al que califica como de crucial
diferenciación para la historia del cachorro humano. La educación no
puede ser calificada como el desarrollo artificial del niño. La
educación es el dominio artificial de los procesos naturales de
desarrollo. La educación no sólo influye en unos u otros procesos de
desarrollo, sino que reestructura las funciones del comportamiento en
toda su amplitud. 
> Teoria e Método em Psicologia: O método instrumental em psicologia:
página 99 
> 18. O método instrumental não estuda apenas a criança que se
desenvolve, mas também aquele que se educa, fato este que qualifica como
diferenciação crucial para a história do filhote humano. A educação não
pode ser qualificada como o desenvolvimento artificial da criança. A
educação é o domínio artificial dos processos naturais de
desenvolvimento. A educação não apenas influi em alguns processos de
desenvolvimento, mas reestrutura as funções do comportamento em toda sua
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