RE: [xmca] searle on writing

Please give us the citations for your publications on this, although I know
we should look them up for ourselves.

Margaret

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From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
Behalf Of Mike Cole
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:21 PM
To: Luiz Carlos Baptista
Cc: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] searle on writing

I know Caldas's work and more along the "literacy changes the brain" work.
I have a little
published on this if it is of interest.

Searle is mostly going on his own prior views and Goody, Olson, etc. So my
main concern
is that if we get into this, we set aside some time and pick some key
articles. I have a more
or less recent article in the feitschrift for Goody that I could contribute
that is more or less
at level of analysis of interest generally on xmca.

mike

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Luiz Carlos Baptista <
lucabaptista@fcsh.unl.pt> wrote:

> Well, I wouldn't mind at all. Regarding Searle, I think he should be more
> careful when talking about "primitive" and "civilized" societies, there
> might be involuntary value judgments lurking here. And of course not all
> writing is the same: there are different writing systems; for instance, it
> can be argued that alphabetic writing has a combinatorial power similar to
> language (and, for that matter, mathematics).
>
> As regards memory and preservation, there is also the issue, raised by
Jack
> Goody, of writing "decontextualizing" utterances from concrete
> interactional
> settings and "recontextualizing" them in the frame of the writtent text.
>
> Goody has much more to say about it, as well as Lévi-Strauss in "The
Savage
> Mind" and many more authors such as McLuhan, Havelock, Ong, Olson, etc.
> (and
> of course you and Sylvia Scribner).
>
> There is a Portuguese neuroscientist, José Castro Caldas, whose team has
> been working on the processing of written language in the brain. I will
try
> to find some of his papers and then, if you guys agree, I can send them to
> the list.
>
> Best,
> Luiz
>
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:42:30 -0700, Mike Cole wrote
> > The topic of language, thought, writing, and development is
> > certainly worth discussion. A lot of it. Are you volunteering to
> > organize such a discussion, Luiz Carlos? mike
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Luiz Carlos Baptista <
> > lucabaptista@fcsh.unl.pt> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi. I found an interview with John Searle about language and writing,
> it
> > > might be interesting for discussion. It is here:
> > >
> > > http://www.childrenofthecode.org/interviews/searle.htm
> > >
> > > **********
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> > >
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> > >
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