Re: [xmca] Subject: Verb, Object

Just a note on Hegel myths David. Hegel was still subject to censorship
till the day he died. He was, I suppose the word for a 60-year-old is,
depressed, about the direction and state of politics in Germany, and he had
still not been admitted to the Berlin Academy of Sciences. Leave the "end
of history" to M. Kojeve.
Andy
At 04:13 PM 28/12/2007 -0800, you wrote:
>Thanks for that note, Mike; it was really NOT so long (in comparison to
>the glop I write, just for example!). Actually, Leontiev himself keeps
>reminding me that he and his generation were tested in ways that make it
>very hard for our largely untested generation to pass judgment upon their
>judgment.
>
> The other day I was reading Chapter Two of Activity, Consciousness and
> Personality and I came rather testily upon his account of how when we are
> using an instrument we do not pay nearly as much attention to the border
> between the hand and the instrument as that between the instrument and
> the object.
>
> Leontiev's example is a surgeon using a probe to find and extract a
> bullet from a wound. And I suddenly have an image of Leontiev at forty,
> having just defended a Ph.D. thesis on the unity of emotion and
> thought...up to his elbows in somebody else's bullet wound, and working
> with Zaporozhets on a book on how to restore your facial expression when
> your face has been shot off. It's enough to make anyone into a
> Lysenkoist, just out of the sheer weary hope that somehow the hardwon
> lessons of each generation can be passed on without all the damnable suffering.
>
> A propos, Andy. I read through Billet, and I also read Stetsenko AGAIN.
> I knew that your article was in some sense a rejoinder to them, maybe
> even a critique. But, to go back to Tony's point about the way we
> categorize a sign (and why not an activity?) being dependent on the
> PURPOSE of categorization, it's a little hard for me to see why Billet
> can't be right about hairdressing, and Hegel wrong about history (which
> did not end, fortunately for all of us, with the vicious Prussian
> militarism that he thought was its natural outcome). In some cases we
> want to pay attention to the INDIVIDUAL subject and in some cases to the
> corporatist one.
>
> Right now I'm trying to write materials for my graduate class on
> "integrated skills" next semester, and I have decided that the
> traditional distinction between "knowledge" and "skills" has really got
> to go; the notion of "knowledge" (vocabulary, grammar rules, pragmatic
> know-how) is a nasty bit of dualism that leads straight to psychometrics,
> and the notion of "skills" is clearly based on the kind of objectivism
> that you are attacking.
>
> But language is, as Volosinov says, a "neutral sign" (he didn't mean
> ideologically neutral; he just meant that language had to be promiscuous
> enough to be usable in almost any field of human endeavour, unlike, say,
> musical notation or mathematical symbols). So there are always some areas
> of language where the distinction between knowledge and skills is bound
> to be relevant. Just look at Mike's spelling!
>
> David Kellogg
> Seoul National University of Education
>
>
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