Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?

Who would like to review this book for MCA? Seems like we should not just
walk away from
it.

also, just ran across a book called "Art and agency" which sounds
interesting on the distributed side coming from anthro.
mike

On Dec 5, 2007 7:57 AM, Kevin Rocap <Kevin.Rocap@liu.edu> wrote:

> Thanks Eugene. Entertaining AND informative, while also being vaguely
> ethnographic. ;-) Well done.
>
> I'm thinking the mind "controversy" on one level simply brings us back
> to the "unit of analysis" again, no? I think folks agree stuff is
> happening on both sides of the skull, but, to be useful, trying to only
> get at what is in the skull, short of MRI-style instrumentation, doesn't
> seem to take us anywhere interesting, or that we want to go, no?
> (except, of course, if you've tied your job security to studying only
> what is inside the skull ;-) - motivation and object, I guess)
>
> In Peace,
> K.
>
> Eugene Matusov wrote:
> > Dear Mike and everybody—
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me add my 3 cents (dollar is going down ;-) for this discussion. I
> think
> > it is better to use the verb "to mind" or "minding" than the noun "the
> mind"
> > since we often refer to a process rather than to a thing. In general, I
> > agree with Mike, of course. But let tell you an anecdote to illustrate
> the
> > "distributed" (or discursive?) nature of the minding process.
> >
> >
> >
> > A few days ago, when I was leaving my work, I could not find my car in
> the
> > university 4-store building parking garage. As my memory has been
> getting
> > more and more mature ;-) every day, I knew that it would happen one day
> and
> > that day came. While I was frustrating in my search running from one
> store
> > of the parking garage to another, I realized that on the top of
> forgetting
> > where I had parked my car, I forget to pick up a video camera from my
> lab
> > for next day videotaped observation of Lego-Logo Robotics activities at
> the
> > Latin-American Community Center. With even more frustration, I went back
> to
> > my lab to pick up the camera. At the lab, I realized that I forgot to
> send a
> > web announcement to my undergrad students about reading for upcoming
> class
> > discussion. I sent the announcement and made some emails, and did some
> other
> > work while I was in lab. When I finished, I realized that it took about
> 2
> > hours. I came back to the parking garage (with the video camera this
> time)
> > to resume the search of my car, the garage was almost empty, and I found
> my
> > car very easily. I was thinking about my "strategy" of "waiting" until
> the
> > garage became empty, "That was smart!" Now I am thinking, where was my
> mind?
> > Did I have mind at all? Was it minding? Was it MY minding? Did I lose
> mind
> > and then found? Does mind, like sh…, sometimes simply happen?
> >
> >
> >
> > Or is "my mind" a historical and cultural form of discourse for me to
> > notice/recognize certain things and use them in future (like in future
> when
> > I lose my car in the UD parking garage I might stop frustrating and stop
> > useless searching efforts and just go back to my office to work more
> waiting
> > until cars will be gone from the garage)? Is "the mind" reification of
> this
> > discourse?
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> > Eugene
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------
> >
> > Eugene Matusov, Ph.D.
> >
> > Professor of Education
> >
> > School of Education
> >
> > University of Delaware
> >
> > Newark, DE 19716, USA
> >
> >
> >
> > email: ematusov@udel.edu
> >
> > fax: 1-(302)-831-4110
> >
> > website: http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu
> >
> > publications: http://ematusov.soe.udel.edu/vita/publications.htm
> >
> > ---------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Mike Cole [mailto:lchcmike@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:45 PM
> > To: Eugene Matusov
> > Subject: Fwd: [xmca] cognition bounded?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com>
> > Date: Dec 4, 2007 8:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [xmca] cognition bounded?
> > To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> > Cc: Kevin Rocap <Kevin.Rocap@liu.edu <mailto:Kevin.Rocap@liu.edu> >
> >
> >
> > This appears to be the responibility of Deleware and Louisiana. Eugene
> and
> > David?
> >
> > My view? OF COURSE the mind is in the head.... but not only. If it were
> only
> > in the head it would stay
> > there and not kill people. Too damned good at killing people as it is!
> > mike
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 4, 2007 8:16 PM, Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià <jfespino@uc.cl
> > <mailto:jfespino@uc.cl> > wrote:
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Kevin Rocap escribió:
> >
> >
> >> Then who's minding the store? ;-)
> >>
> >> Juan Felipe Espinosa Cristià wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear All:
> >>>
> >>> An online paper from the authors is at:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.udel.edu/Philosophy/papers/adams2007.pdf
> >>>
> >>> They said that "the mind is still in the head".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Juan Felipe Espinosa C.
> >>> jfespino@uc.cl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/4/07 11:20 AM, "Peter Smagorinsky" < smago@uga.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Martin--always useful to see a contrary perspective. The
> >>>>>
> > descriptor
> >
> >>>>> says that the book:
> >>>>> "Articulates and defends the "mark of the cognitive", a common sense
> >>>>> theory
> >>>>> used to distinguish between cognitive and non-cognitive processes"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I always wonder about "common sense" arguments, and the author's
> belief
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> they are beyond culture.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Peter Smagorinsky
> >>>>> The University of Georgia
> >>>>> 125 Aderhold Hall
> >>>>> Athens, GA 30602
> >>>>> smago@uga.edu/phone:706-542-4507
> >>>>> http://www.coe.uga.edu/lle/faculty/smagorinsky/index.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:
> >>>>>
> > <mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu> xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] On
> >
> >>>>> Behalf Of Martin Packer
> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:56 AM
> >>>>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>>>> Subject: [xmca] cognition bounded?
> >>>>>
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