Re: [xmca] second nature

if I understand, you think that the we can say "second nature" for the
world, and this is because the world is no longer the natural word.
this is an interesting use of the first idea which was used for a person.
forgive my english writing please.
thank you
maria

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [xmca] second nature

Yes, yes, I understand that, Maria.
My question is not about the person as such but about the world we live in,
the environment, which is no longer a natural world but a world of
artefacts. Obviously (especially for us) a closely related idea, but not
the same.
Andy
At 09:38 AM 12/10/2007 -0300, you wrote:
>I will find the source and give you.
>Aquinas goes far than Aristotle's definition.
>it is not only the acquired habits as behavior psychology says,
>it is a new person.
>it is important to remember that Aquinas has his own theory.
>maria
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
>To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [xmca] second nature
>
>
>According to "Aquinas and Empowerment: Classical Ethics for Ordinary Lives"
>By G. Simon Harak, Aquinas used the term in the same sense as Aristotle,
>i.e., as acquired habits. Can you give me a source Maria?
>
>Andy
>
>At 08:55 AM 12/10/2007 -0300, you wrote:
> >Andy
> >Thomas Aquin created this expression "second nature" not only for
> >the world of artefacts, but for human being in the world of artefacts,
> >the new human being that emerges from cultural social activities who is
not
> >anymore simply the human being from the point of view of nature.
> >maria
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
> >To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:12 AM
> >Subject: [xmca] second nature
> >
> >
> > > Anyone have an answer to this one?
> > >
> > > I sometimes use the term "second nature" to mean the world of
artefacts,
> >in
> > > contrast to the "first nature" the world of things existing before and
> > > outside human civilisation. I am interested in where this usage comes
> >from.
> > > According to the Oxford English Dictionary Online, the use of "second
> > > nature" to mean habits and other aspects of the human character which
>are
> > > developed during our life through participation in activity dates back
>to
> > > Aristotle, but they record no-one using the term in the way I use it.
I
> >see
> > > that Hegel only used the expression in the sense of acquired habits.
Max
> > > Stirner appears to be the one, much to my surprise, who started
>referring
> > > to culture as a "second Nature" but who knows what "culture" meant to
>the
> > > author of "The Ego and his Own"? Marx in the 1844 manuscripts goes so
>far
> > > as to refer to human needs which are "second nature" and it would seem
> > > consistent with his idea that he should ascribe "second nature" to the
> > > objectification of those new human needs in the world of artefacts. I
do
> > > not feel I am "betraying" Marx in using the term in that way, but so
far
> >as
> > > I can see Marx and Engels never use it that way themselves.
> > >
> > > Any ideas on who first called the world of material culture our
"second
> > > nature" (as opposed to civilised habits)? Was it one of those American
> > > Pragmatists or Benjamin Franklin or someone?
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
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