Re: [xmca] second nature

From: Andy Blunden <ablunden who-is-at mira.net>
Date: Fri Oct 12 2007 - 05:51:27 PDT

Yes, yes, I understand that, Maria.
My question is not about the person as such but about the world we live in,
the environment, which is no longer a natural world but a world of
artefacts. Obviously (especially for us) a closely related idea, but not
the same.
Andy
At 09:38 AM 12/10/2007 -0300, you wrote:
>I will find the source and give you.
>Aquinas goes far than Aristotle's definition.
>it is not only the acquired habits as behavior psychology says,
>it is a new person.
>it is important to remember that Aquinas has his own theory.
>maria
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
>To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [xmca] second nature
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>According to "Aquinas and Empowerment: Classical Ethics for Ordinary Lives"
>By G. Simon Harak, Aquinas used the term in the same sense as Aristotle,
>i.e., as acquired habits. Can you give me a source Maria?
>
>Andy
>
>At 08:55 AM 12/10/2007 -0300, you wrote:
> >Andy
> >Thomas Aquin created this expression "second nature" not only for
> >the world of artefacts, but for human being in the world of artefacts,
> >the new human being that emerges from cultural social activities who is not
> >anymore simply the human being from the point of view of nature.
> >maria
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andy Blunden" <ablunden@mira.net>
> >To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
> >Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:12 AM
> >Subject: [xmca] second nature
> >
> >
> > > Anyone have an answer to this one?
> > >
> > > I sometimes use the term "second nature" to mean the world of artefacts,
> >in
> > > contrast to the "first nature" the world of things existing before and
> > > outside human civilisation. I am interested in where this usage comes
> >from.
> > > According to the Oxford English Dictionary Online, the use of "second
> > > nature" to mean habits and other aspects of the human character which
>are
> > > developed during our life through participation in activity dates back
>to
> > > Aristotle, but they record no-one using the term in the way I use it. I
> >see
> > > that Hegel only used the expression in the sense of acquired habits. Max
> > > Stirner appears to be the one, much to my surprise, who started
>referring
> > > to culture as a "second Nature" but who knows what "culture" meant to
>the
> > > author of "The Ego and his Own"? Marx in the 1844 manuscripts goes so
>far
> > > as to refer to human needs which are "second nature" and it would seem
> > > consistent with his idea that he should ascribe "second nature" to the
> > > objectification of those new human needs in the world of artefacts. I do
> > > not feel I am "betraying" Marx in using the term in that way, but so far
> >as
> > > I can see Marx and Engels never use it that way themselves.
> > >
> > > Any ideas on who first called the world of material culture our "second
> > > nature" (as opposed to civilised habits)? Was it one of those American
> > > Pragmatists or Benjamin Franklin or someone?
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
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