Re: [xmca] Wells article

From: Mike Cole <lchcmike who-is-at>
Date: Sun Oct 07 2007 - 20:01:42 PDT

Great to have such giving people working to understand each other and
not exterminate each other!!

On 10/7/07, Gordon Wells <> wrote:
> > Sasha wrote:
> >
> >2. As for problem with terms die Vorstellung and das Begriff or their
> >Russian equivalent predstavlenie i pon'atie, it has nothing to do with
> any
> >linguistic. Actually the problem has utterly practical significance. Each
> >school-teacher or college professor which meets with special ability of
> >his/here students to repeat after him/here using correct words and
> theoretic
> >definitions without a tiny hint to real understanding of problems
> analyzing
> >in his/her lecture meets with mentioned above substantial distinction
> >between Vorstellung and Begriff. So this distinction plays a great role
> not
> >only in Hegel's or Il'enkov's logical treatise, but in schools, colleges
> and
> >I will add in research practice. Even Vygotsky who knew both German and
> >Russian and moreover was acquainted with Hegel's and Marx' philosophy
> become
> >confused in those categories. Thus reasoning about a development of
> concepts
> >(der Begriff) he puts so called "scientific concept" (which in actual
> fact
> >is nothing but formal verbal definition or die Vorstellung) in the summit
> of
> >the hierarchy of concepts. The great difficultness for all who really
> want
> >to understand something, not only imitate such an understanding before
> >those boring teachers, is to fight his/here way through the word's shell
> to
> >the real understanding. The crucial criteria of such an understanding is
> >practice. I do comprehend something (I muster das Begriff) if basing on
> my
> >understanding I can practically act (by my own hands or by hands of other
> >people) upon some natural or cultural object according to its objective
> >shape. And contrary the brilliant "knowledge" of all kind of verbal
> >definitions has nothing to do with real education and real research.
> --
> Gordon Wells
> Department of Education
> University of California, Santa Cruz
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