Re: [xmca] Fwd: NYTimes.com: Seeing No Progress, Some Schools Drop Laptops

From: Mike Cole <lchcmike who-is-at gmail.com>
Date: Sat May 05 2007 - 10:48:52 PDT

Yep, that is one take for sure.
Yrjo has an article, or part of an article, on how much kids learn from
elaborate cheating -- development as breaking away.

On 5/5/07, Michael Glassman <MGlassman@ehe.osu.edu> wrote:
>
> I have to tell you after reading this article (the first part) in
> Starbucks yesterday the first thought that came to my mind was that they
> didn't take the laptops away because they were not successful, but because
> they were too successful. It's not that the students didn't learn, it's
> that the students didn't learn what the school district wanted them to
> learn. Think about just the couple of things they talked about - a student
> broke the security network - and I would be he didn't do it alone but as
> part of some combined open source project. Then he networked the solutions
> to other students who understood the logic well enough to use it. This is
> incredible stuff - but also scary stuff. The internet is inherently
> antt-authoritarian, it is based on lateral communications and communications
> in and out. These students used their computers as tools to develop their
> problem solving techniques and networking capabilities (which leads to
> political capabilities and such). The whole idea of standardized tests and
> other types of exams being effected by computers is ridiculous - they are
> almost anti-thetical to the trajectory of learning computers and the
> internet will take you in. I think this is a lesson that we cannot overlay
> our own ideas on education on to computers and the internet but we need to
> let them grow organically. Society not longer gets to determine what is
> valuable in the learning process, experts no longer get to determine how you
> do it. This is going to scare the hell out of a lot of people. My fear is
> that academia will try and claim some level of expertise in all this. I
> think the best thing we could do is to try and make sure we and society does
> not smother the baby of this growing revolution in its crib. The
> possibilities are just extraordinary.
>
> Just as a sidelight, there is a political side to this article. The New
> York Times as doyan of the old media is - at least from what I have been
> able to glean - intimidated and afraid of the possible changes brought about
> by the new media - which is dependent on the type of connectivity that the
> students at Liverpool were experiencing. This sort of battle between the
> old media and the new media is a really incredible passion play creating
> large amounts of anger and fear and possibilities for change. Do I think
> that had an impact on the article and its tone? I would say at this point
> nothing that happens in the media can be taken out of this context.
>
> Michael
>
> ________________________________
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> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Mike Cole
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> Subject: [xmca] Fwd: NYTimes.com: Seeing No Progress,Some Schools Drop
> Laptops
>
>
>
> I hope people can access this article. I am not sure.
> There is a lot worth discussing here. Contrasting what laptops are
> ordinarily used for and the kinds of
> activities that Donna is developing using Second Life and others are
> developing (David Shaffer, Jim Gee)
> etc raises a lot of good opportunities to discuss mediation and the
> organzation of activity. But first,
> can you access the article??
> mike
>
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