In response to Shirley and Deb's thoughts, to assume that the more dominant
learner in a group zpd tends to lead to deeper understanding would be
overrating the learner. I tend to wonder if deeper understanding would be
in the learners reflections towards compassion and empathy rather than
The notion of assuming that the more capable learner performs "at a level
above what they are capable of outside the ZPD " as a general statement
somehow does not sit well with my thinking. Considering the cultural
historical aspect of a teacher not knowing the danger of simplifying and
deciding on the individual/group more capable and least capable based on an
inferior design of assessments.
The hot topic seems to be in the design of assessments at the moment. Any
views out there on the cultural historical impact on zoped and assessments?
Would appreciate a lead.
> > On 12/11/06, Shirley Franklin <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> >> You are so right, Deb.
> >> It is a very positive argument for mixed ability teaching and learning.
> >> My kids were taught is mixed ability classrooms (sadly now in the
> >> decline in the UK) and benefited enormously by helping their weaker
> >> mates . The act of simplification must involve more complex thinking.
> >> As a special needs teacher I know how challenging simplification is!
> >> I have always thought this had led these 'more competent peers' to
> >> greater , deeper understandings. It is something we frequently
> >> discuss in my teaching seminars.
> >> Like Deb, I would love some other references to this.
> >> Shirley
> >> On 10 Dec 2006, at 23:55, deborah downing-wilson wrote:
> >>> A question that comes to me occasionally - but never when I'm near
> >>> someone
> >>> to ask-
> >>> It seems to me that the "more capable" member of the ZPD, by nature
> >>> of the
> >>> interaction also performs at a level above what they are capable of
> >>> outside
> >>> the ZPD -
> >>> deb
> >>> On 12/10/06, Mike Cole <email@example.com> wrote:
> >>>> The difficulty at the cultural-historical level that bothers me is
> >>>> that it is even more difficult than in the
> >>>> ontogenetic case to figure out who the more capable person/social
> >>>> group
> >>>> might be.
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