Well, we certainly have enough to read to keep us up until dinner time!
Thanks Michael.
mike
On 10/22/06, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:
>
> Mike,
> some may also be interested in my non-representational analysis of
> language in classroom learning, the evolution of language etc.
> cheers, m
>
> Roth, W.-M. (2005). Talking science: Language and learning in
> science. Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield.
>
>
>
> David, Michael, Tony, & ----
>
> I wonder if you could point this amateur toward the empirical
> implications
> of the discussion
> of Derrida, difference, Saussure........ I have not read the
> essential texts
> (I suspect I am not
> alone in this unstate) so it is only from time to time that I can
> connect to
> a part of a discussion
> and then fear that any comment will be unproductive because it will
> shift
> attention from the ongoing
> flow of thought, which is something short of a smooth flow at best (!!).
>
> mike
>
> PS-- I like the idea of a "with" ontology. Sort of fits my notion of
> joint
> mediated activity as a unit of analysis
> for understanding human nature.
>
> On 10/22/06, Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tony, I am not so sure that Derrida is anti-realist. Before I read
> > him, I naively took people at their word when they said that D takes
> > a position of everything being in language, and I might have
> > reproduced such a statement myself in very early writing about him.
> > (A piece on the phenomenology of mathematical knowing.) But when you
> > read the book "On Touching--Jean-Luc Nancy", you get a very different
> > perspective on D. The body is all over the place, the body is the
> > condition for knowing and language.
> >
> > Anyway, this is my reading of it. Jean-Luc Nancy is an interesting
> > philosopher who knows his Hegel inside out, and who has re-thought
> > Hegelian dialectics (In his books Nancy, J.-L. (2001). The
> > speculative remark (One of Hegel's bon mots). Stanford: Stanford
> > University Press.
> > Nancy, J.-L. (2002). Hegel: The restlessness of the negative.
> > Stanford: Stanford University Press.) and has worked out an ontology
> > that is based on the primacy of the WITH as the precondition of
> > consciousness--consistent with the Meshcheryakov experiments.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On 22-Oct-06, at 8:06 AM, Tony Whitson wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, Wolff-Michael Roth wrote about Derrida:
> >
> > > He is probably the most misunderstood philosopher, because
> > > interpreted from non-dialectical scholars.
> >
> > I think one reason is that he makes philosophical points
> > performatively, and not just propositionally. Many don't understand
> > what he's doing by that, and many more don't even see he's doing that
> > at all, but reduce his writing to some sort of propositional residue
> > which they rightly observe does not amount to as much. What's being
> > evaluated then is the reader's own reduction, not Derrida's thinking
> > and writing. (The exchange with Searle is the best-known example.)
> >
> > Somebody once distinguished between philosophers who are either
> > understood or not understood, vs those who are either understood or
> > misunderstood. (Anybody know the source for that?)
> >
> > Derrida makes a bad mistake at the point where he sees Peirce
> > resorting to a "transcendental signified" (I think that's the phrase
> > D uses, but I won't look it up right now.) I think Deely's right
> > about Derrida (unlike Peirce) being trapped in an anti-realist
> > modernism. Still, I think that to reduce Derrida to Saussure is to
> > miss out on some important insights that Derrida uniquely has to
> > offer.
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