Re: [xmca] Unbelievable - & Spanish

From: bb (xmca-whoever@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Oct 21 2006 - 07:12:21 PDT


Thanks!
bb
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From: Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca>
> There is no a priori hierarchy, just difference and heterogeneity
> within and across individuals that constitute the collective. Why
> should Luria's peasants be primitive, with respect to who or what?
> Why should they be inferior, with respect to whom and what? There are
> many aspects in which the psychologists who said these peasants were
> inferior---e.g., on Piagetian tasks---do less well and even perish
> had they been on their own out there. wmr
>
>
> On 21-Oct-06, at 6:58 AM, bb wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> I can't quite parse your response. How does this work for Luria's
> studies of peasants in Uzbekistan?
>
> bb
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Wolff-Michael Roth <mroth@uvic.ca>
> > Hi bb,
> >
> > the question about primitive and inferior arises whenever reasoning
> > presupposes self-identity---a position French philosophers have to
> > denote as the ontology of the same; it defines difference in terms of
> > deviation from the same. Difference then does not exist in and for
> > itself. If you begin with difference---e.g., Deleuze in "Difference &
> > Repetition", Nancy in "Being Singular Plural"---then, to express it a
> > bit simplistically, everything is different. Sameness (even that
> > expressed in "A = A") is the result of a construction, as is
> > primitiveness and inferiority. The ontology that begins with
> > difference leads us to a very different way of thinking, to a very
> > different ethics (see Levinas), to a very different politics (see
> > Derrida).
> >
> > have a nice weekend
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > On 21-Oct-06, at 6:35 AM, bb wrote:
> >
> > Agradezca le, Nacho, por el texto excelente en espa�ol e ingl�s
> > que
> > ayude a un principiante como entiende espa�ol en contexto. En el
> > momento que puedo contribuir solamente con el uso de las traducciones
> > en l�nea, que entiendo para ser particularmente malo.
> >
> > Thank you, Nacho, for the excellent text in both spanish and english
> > that helps a novice like me understand Spanish in context. At the
> > moment I can only contribute through the use of online translations,
> > which I understand to be particularly bad.
> >
> >
> > Picking up on the dialectical thread at Anna's comment, "Instead,
> > dialectical thinking presupposes that there is always a next step,
> > and a new height, however 'full' one's thinking is", I wonder if this
> > train of thought leads to some kinds of thinking as more advanced
> > than others, and (lessons from Luria) if some cultures (or
> > individuals) never reach these more advanced forms of thinking, they
> > will be considered to be primitive or inferior?
> >
> > �Escogiendo para arriba en el hilo de rosca dial�ctico en el
> > comentario de Ana, "en lugar de otro, el pensamiento dial�ctico
> > presupone que hay siempre un paso siguiente, y una nueva altura, no
> > obstante ' lleno ' es su pensamiento", me pregunto si este tren del
> > pensamiento conduce a algunas clases de pensamiento como m�s
> > avanzado
> > que otros, y (las lecciones de Luria) si algunas culturas (o los
> > individuos) nunca alcanzan estas formas m�s avanzadas de
> > pensamiento,
> > los considerar�n ser primitivos o inferiores?
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