Re: [xmca] Unbelievable - & Spanish

From: Martin Packer (packer@duq.edu)
Date: Fri Oct 20 2006 - 07:08:58 PDT


David,

Thanks for the information about Visor. That makes things much easier! I
have a visiting position at la Universidad de las Americas, in Puebla,
Mexico. And Mike, I will certainly invite the students to ask questions and
make sugestions here on XMCA. I'm sure they will be intrigued, though
perhaps shy at first.

Martin

On 10/19/06 7:14 PM, "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:

> Martin--
>
> Is there ANY way you could have your class interact with us about segement
> of LSV from your class to
> push the issue of bilngualism here on xmca?
>
> mike
>
> On 10/19/06, David Preiss <davidpreiss@puc.cl> wrote:
>>
>> Please, don't feel ashamed for making an opinion, Martin! Maybe you are
>> totally right and I can see that you have an interesting point.
>> And, yes. Vygotsky has been fully translated to Spanish by Visor, in
>> wonderful and somehow expensive editions. Where would you be teaching?
>> David
>>
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu [mailto:xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu] En
>> nombre de Martin Packer
>> Enviado el: Jueves, 19 de Octubre de 2006 19:01
>> Para: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> Asunto: Re: [xmca] Unbelievable - & Spanish
>>
>> Tony,
>>
>> It's true that I don't find time to stay up to date on the primatology
>> literature, so perhaps my enthusiasm for 'unbelievable's' attempt to
>> predict
>> evolutionary trends from cultural ones was unwarranted. Or perhaps it's
>> just
>> that I think his predictions aren't so unbelievable, though his view that
>> racial prejudice will disappear and only class prejudice will remain
>> strikes
>> me as overly optimistic.
>>
>> But rather then draw attention to my ignorance and pessimism, let me
>> change
>> the subject. Next semester I will be teaching a course on Vygotsky in
>> Spanish. (Yes, this will be a ZPD in which the teacher learns as much as
>> the
>> students. Hopefully.) Can anyone tell me if any portions of the Collected
>> Works have been translated into Spanish?
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> On 10/19/06 10:03 AM, "Tony Whitson" <twhitson@UDel.Edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Martin,
>>> I think the idea of culture affecting biological evolution was
>>> commonplace among primatologists at least as early as the 1960s, so I
>>> don't think Curry merits too much credit for that.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Martin Packer wrote:
>>>
>>>> David,
>>>>
>>>> That is indeed one way of thinking about Vygotsky's view of the
>> influence
>> of
>>>> culture on biology. But I was referring to phylogenesis, not
>> ontogenesis.
>>>> This prediction for the year 3000 is undeniably rather wacky, but it
>> does
>>>> have the merit of recognizing the impact of culture on human biological
>>>> evolution.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/18/06 9:28 PM, "David Preiss" <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not so sure, Martin, this is a fair comparison. For Vygotskty
>>>>> the way culture shapes biology is by means of the internalization of
>>>>> tools and symbols. For this guy, what culture does is triggering
>>>>> changes in our sexual preferences and weakening our immune system.
>>>>> Very different, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But this is precisely an example of a theory in which
>> socio-historical
>>>>>> evolution is seen as shaping biological evolution, no? As David
>>>>>> (Kellogg)
>>>>>> said a couple of days ago:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that Vygotsky's position on the connection between
>>>>>>> learning and
>>>>>>> development, and also the connection between ontogenesis and socio-
>>>>>>> historical
>>>>>>> development, and even the connection between socio-historical
>>>>>>> development and
>>>>>>> biological evolution is that all of these things are indeed
>>>>>>> linked, but
>>>>>>> nevertheless distinct. Linked but distinct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/18/06 6:02 PM, "David Preiss" <davidpreiss@uc.cl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder if the guy REALLY thinks this or is just seeking publicity.
>>>>>>> I am astonished how many evolutionary theories make it to the press
>>>>>>> these days. What is making these theories so fashionable is beyond
>> my
>>>>>>> understanding. Is like a postmodern, late capitalism state of mind
>>>>>>> Any guesses?
>>>>>>> David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:55 AM, bb wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Humanity may split into two sub-species in 100,000 years' time as
>>>>>>>> predicted by HG Wells, an expert has said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evolutionary theorist Oliver Curry of the London School of
>>>>>>>> Economics expects a genetic upper class and a dim-witted underclass
>>>>>>>> to emerge. "
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the year 2525
>>>>>>>> If man is still alive....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Mike Cole" <lchcmike@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: October 14, 2006 9:55:13 PM GMT-04:00
>>>>>>>> To: "eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity" <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [xmca] interweaving
>>>>>>>>
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