Re: [xmca] Interesting thoughts

From: Mike Cole (lchcmike@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Jul 14 2006 - 16:56:59 PDT


Ah, Andy--

There is that fascinating other view of the question: how does appropriation
become socialization?
Passim Goethe, Vygotsky, and Bakhtin, "in the beginning was the deed."
:-)
mike

On 7/14/06, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for that Mike. I will follow up on Sperry. :-)
>
> It seems to me that the problem of causality vs human freedom poses itself
> at two distinct places. For the "physicalists" whom Sperry is countering,
> it is at the point of the individual human organism being subject to the
> laws of physics (a problem for analytical philosophers, natural scientists
> and small children); for the issues raised in Kevin's paper it is at the
> point of dominant social structures (institutions, discourses, culture) vs
> the autonomy of a socially constructed social agent.
>
> I think it is a crucial issue for cultural psychology to clarify. How does
> socialisation become appropriation?
>
> Andy
>
> At 09:29 AM 14/07/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> >I realize that people are reading Kevin's article when they have time and
> >that time is scarce. I pass along the
> >following as a contribution to the "causations sub-thread" of that
> >discussion.
> >mike
> >
> > "Countering prior physicalist views, the new principles
> > of causality affirm that subjective human values are today
> > the most strategically powerful driving force governing the
> > course of events in the civilized world--and the key to our
> > global predicament and its solution." (p. 8)
> >
> > "The dynamics of the mental progression are determined
> > presumably by emergent cognitive properties functioning
> > as wholes and as subjectively experienced. The dynamics
> > and laws for causal progression at the mental or cognitive
> > level are thus quite different from those in the lower-level
> > neurophysiology....Human values...are no longer treated as
> > being merely parallel or epiphenomenal to brain function.
> > Subjective values become causally interactive...and thus
> > qualify as legitimate causal constructs, ineliminable in
> > scientific explanation." (p. 28)
> >
> >Reference
> > Sperry, R. (1995). The Riddle of Consciousness and the Changing
> >Scientific Worldview. *Journal of Humanistic Psychology* 35(2).
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