RE: [xmca] legitimacy

From: O'Connor, Kevin (
Date: Tue Apr 25 2006 - 08:19:30 PDT

Hi Mike, Bill, and others-
I'd welcome the opportunity for discussion of this paper on xmca. I agree with Mike that viewing the video in conjunction with reading the paper could add to the discussion to some extent - this would also complicate things, as I would need to electronically mask participants before the video could be posted online. Today I will look into what resources I might have available to me for doing so.

Mike, would you suggest attaching the paper to a message to the list, or some other way of making it available?

I'm looking forward to it!

-----Original Message-----
From: on behalf of Mike Cole
Sent: Mon 4/24/2006 5:25 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: Re: [xmca] legitimacy
Hi bb, Keven, et al.

I was thinking that if we could perhaps read the paper and see a video
segment of the interactions (we could post, or kevin, or.....) It would make
a for a productive discussion.


On 4/24/06, bb <> wrote:
> The title of Kevin's paper looks very interesting. Mike, maybe the x can
> discuss this?
> bb
> On Monday 24 April 2006 2:37 pm, O'Connor, Kevin wrote:
> > On 4/17/06 3:03 PM, "bb" <> wrote:
> > > CoP certainly seems useful for the lads study in that it addresses
> > > identity development -- in the lads view they have become outsiders --
> > > but the socio-economic/cultural-historical dimensions that lead this
> > > development of conciousness are not well laid out in the CoP
> framework,
> > > last I checked. What are boundaries of the community in other ways
> seem
> > > to need more definition. Still, as you point out Nancy, there is a lot
> of
> > > purchase in the notion of LPP. Is there anything recent about who
> > > determines what is "legitimate"?
> >
> > Bill asks if there's anything recent about who determines what is
> > "legitimate." I have a couple of papers that address some of the
> > interesting issues regarding legitimacy, boundary crossing, etc., that
> are
> > raised in this thread.
> >
> > One of the arguments of these papers is that some CoP research (e.g.,
> much
> > of the work that uses the concept of CoP for designing learning
> contexts)
> > has taken L&Wšs focus on (mostly) bounded, stable, and benign CoPšs as a
> > model for studying all CoPšs. This has backgrounded crucial issues like
> > those that Bill and others raise on the sources of legitimacy, etc. But
> if
> > we look at L&Wšs focus on these sorts of CoPšs as acknowledged
> > simplifications made for strategic analytic purposes rather than as a
> > description of all CoPšs, it leads us to suspend these simplified
> > assumptions and open us up to taking on different kinds of analyses that
> > foreground different aspects of CoP's.
> >
> > The direction Išve taken with this has been to make a different
> strategic
> > choice, i.e. to study a setting in which boundedness, stability, and
> > benignness are clearly not reasonable assumptions to make, in that key
> > disciplinary and institutional values and practices are overtly
> undergoing
> > transformation (e.g., bringing historically separated institutions into
> > contact through videoconferencing technology). I closely examined the
> > communicative processes by means of which participants in interaction
> > construct and, more importantly, contest the identity of various
> > communities and their roles in them ­ e.g., as legitimate participants
> or
> > not. Some of the socio/cultural/historical dimensions that Bill and
> Nancy
> > want to see are available in the interactional details, and these are
> what
> > my analyses try to show.
> >
> > For those who might be interested, the most relevant reference is below.
> > I'd be happy to send a copy if you don't have easy access to the book.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > OšConnor, K. (2003). Communicative practice, cultural production, and
> > situated learning: Constructing and contesting identities of expertise
> in a
> > heterogeneous learning context. In S. Wortham and B. Rymes (Eds.),
> > Linguistic anthropology of education. Westport, CT: Praeger.

Kevin O'Connor
Assistant Professor
University of Rochester
Warner School of Education and Human Development
1-320 Dewey Hall
Rochester NY 14627



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