Whose purpose would we be referring to, the individuals, the sub-group
(lads), the larger AT (the school), or society (for example)? From one
perspective, the lads, I can see that they would consider themselves
outsiders. From the school's perspective, I could see that they would be
considered insiders who are troubled or troublemakers, but still inside.
>From a societal perspective, I could see them as insiders of a particular
kind, but clearly involved and influential.
The unit of analysis question emerges again...
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> From: xmca-bounces@weber.ucsd.edu on behalf of Worthen, Helena
> Reply To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 10:49 AM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: Re: [xmca] "informants as lames"
>
> Hello --
>
> We could refer to purpose or consciousness here to distinguish between
> who's in and who's out. If they're actively conspiring against school
> culture they're still a part of it, shape it, participate in it -- but to
> the extent that they are participating in it with a different purpose and
> different consciousness, they are a separate activity system -- for the
> purposes of a study of boundaries, that would consistute a boundary --
> right?
>
> Helena WOrthen
>
>
> On Mon, April 17, 2006 9:00 am, bb wrote:
> > All this begs the question of what it means to be inside and outside the
> > community, and conversely, what/where/when are the boundaries of the
> > community. Who says who's in and who's out?
> >
> > Are the lads in Willis' study in or out of the school community? They
> > might
> > say "out", but in actively conspiring against school culture, do they
> not
> > participate in it, shape it, and therefore constitute part of it?
> >
> > Not intending to make trouble, it just comes naturally when I'm puzzled.
> >
> > bb
> >
> > On Monday 17 April 2006 9:32 am, Andrew Jocuns wrote:
> >> I think Paul Rabinow in his ethnography, Reflections
> >> on Fieldwork in Morocco, mentions that the first
> >> person to greet an anthropologist is often an outsider
> >> in the community. I am not sure if was him or someone
> >> else who wrote that anthropologists should stay away
> >> from said person.
> >>
> >> andy
> >>
> >> --- Mike Cole <lchcmike@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I am looking for a reference to the problem of
> >> > anthropological fieldwork
> >> > that arises because people who are likely to
> >> > interact with an outsider to the community are
> >> > themselves likely to be
> >> > marginal within their own communities. The phrase
> >> > that comes to mind is "lames."
> >> >
> >> > Can anyone help?
> >> > mike
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