Thanks for that Mary.
I have read Lois McNay on Foucault, and I liked her a lot, and it was
there that I did learn that in his latter days Foucault changed his
mind about the subject and introduced the subject into his thinking. I
found that material very useful actually, but I was really surprised
when I read McNay, because no other Foucault critic seems to use that
part of Foucault. For example, Nancy Fraser, who I also rate very
highly, criticises Foucault for not having an ethical theory, but
Nancy Fraser's weak side, if any, is also objectivism.
As for Judith Butler, I confess I have only read a couple of her books
and one or two by her "followers" and perhaps I have missed something
there. Martin certainly seems to think so.I will get hold of "Giving
an Account of Oneself" as soon as I can and investigate.
Thanks again for that Mary,
At 09:12 AM 11/11/2005 -0800, you wrote:
>> Poststructuralists claim to have "deconstructed the subject",
>> it is an illusion.
Actually, I recommended three texts that are post-structural and
deconstructionist in their methodology. Late-career Foucault and
Butler do not take as their target the deconstruction of the
subject at all.
In the Butler text, and also Cavarero, the authors provide very
comprehensive analyses of the major philosophical perspectives for
about subject-object relations, and there are minor, but not
overlaps with what concerns most CHAT citizens ---
there are overlaps in literature, which I sometimes think is most
sought in the literature from psychoanalysis on object relations --
chunk of the Butler text looks at this literature.
I was thinking about all of this yesterday -- the way in which we
speaking different languages in this community <as in any other
such that by the time one message gets across the great divide,
the meaning is lost. It seems a very potent difference to note that
of us -- like, me, for example -- psychology is not about "mental
processes", and if I am to talk at all about psychology, then it is
interested in the ways in which scholarly traditions endeavor to
account of interiority that is rich enough and complex enough to be
in a context of geographic, historical, chronological <at minimum>
this actually, is where I find that LSV started off on the right
his work on semiotics, and then got derailed by mentalistic
which, likely because of his very early death, never got back on
for me, Bakhtin is more helpful, when I am looking back to
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