RE: bodies, matter, action, and meaning

From: Carol Macdonald (macdonaldc@educ.wits.ac.za)
Date: Sun Jun 13 2004 - 01:55:32 PDT


Steve wrote:

And the zinger:
"To be a materialist in physiology is not difficult - try to be it in
psychology and if you cannot, you will remain an idealist."

And I am sure this will appear in papers everywhere, since he sources it so
well.

But here is an ignorant question:

Is the material/idealist opposition the only possible one?

I teach both Vygotsky and Piaget to my Honours students, and know that
Piaget has been seen to be a closet Kantian. My philosophy colleagues tell
me that there are problems with Radical Constructivism, which i teach as
underlying Piaget (and they are still to tell me more); but I have problems
simply attributing a social constructivist label to Vygotsky. Is there
anybody else out there who teachs both areas, and with whom I can converse?

Carol

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Steve Gabosch [mailto:bebop101@comcast.net]
  Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 11:12 PM
  To: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu
  Subject: Re: bodies, matter, action, and meaning

  Apropos to Jay's recent post on researching meaning-making and his remarks
on idealism, here is an apt quote from Vygotsky on the materialism/idealism
question I found the other night, in "Methods of Reflexological and
Psychological Investigation," the 1926 article based on his famous January
1924 talk to the All-Russian Congress on Psychoneurology. This is from the
first chapter of Vol 3 of the Plenum Collected Works, pg 47-48.

  Three setup sentences, and then the zinger:
  "Academician Bekhterev in his "energetic" enthusiasm talks to the point of
panpsychism, stating that plants and animals are animated beings. Elsewhere
he cannot bring himself to repudiate the hypothesis about a soul. And in
such primitive ignorance with respect to the mind reflexology will remain as
long as it steers clear of the mind and isolates itself in the narrow circle
of *physiological materialism*."

  And the zinger:
  "To be a materialist in physiology is not difficult - try to be it in
psychology and if you cannot, you will remain an idealist."

  Best,
  - Steve



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