RE: New, darker New Yorker report

From: Eugene Matusov (
Date: Mon May 17 2004 - 05:51:00 PDT

Thanks a lot, Jay!

In the USSR, we used to say, "Tell me how you treat your enemy -- and I'll
tell who you are."


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Lemke []
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:03 AM
> Subject: New, darker New Yorker report
> Importance: High
> NOTE: Sent this yesterday, but it got gremlin-gobbled. My mood is better
> today, but my view remains.
> I started today with the stimulating ideas of Morten Nissen in the current
> MCA about anti-method and subjectification in social work.
> But all my thoughts about the parallels with education were just blown
> away, and my mood turned darkest black by reading the new Seymour Hersh
> investigative report, to appear in tomorrow's New Yorker, but already on
> their website:
> It is also the lead story on CNN and BBC online, but I urge you to read
> the
> whole report (not that long).
> Evidently the CIA has decided not to get the blame for Abu Ghraib, and
> they've been telling Hersh that it was Rumsfeld and his new (2003)
> intelligence chief (Carbone) who really screwed up: they authorized the
> rules of interrogation that had been created as a top-secret intelligence
> program (i.e. torture) against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Guantanamo to
> be
> also extended to ordinary prisoners in Iraq. They felt it was the fastest
> way to counter the anti-US rebellions there. They brought the top guy from
> Guantanamo to Iraq, put outside-the-law interrogators in there, and
> recruited the poor dumb reservist prison guards to help with the dirty
> work. Apart from the link to the top-secret torture program outside Iraq,
> evidently everybody knew what was going on at Abu Ghraib: from the Red
> Cross to the CIA's and the Army's own legal departments, and they all
> objected but were brushed aside by Rumsfeld and his deputy.
> This amounts to a deliberate government policy of torture and abuse of
> ordinary prisoners, most of whom had no links to terrorism or the
> insurgency (i.e. among the overall population of detainees in Abu Ghraib),
> though obviously they were looking for people with info on the latter. It
> also amounts to the first time ever that the US deliberately and
> systematically violated the Geneva Conventions as a matter of state policy
> in an ordinary theatre of war (Iraq), though the violations in Guantanamo
> (which will probably be hitting the news sooner or later, too) were also
> against the Convention and contrary to international law.
> This is far worse than Watergate, and I hope it is enough to bring down
> government-by-hybris in America and send at least a few of the people with
> ultimate responsibility to prison. I wonder if it will be enough to make
> more of my fellow citizens think.
> JAY.
> Jay Lemke
> Professor
> University of Michigan
> School of Education
> 610 East University
> Ann Arbor, MI 48109
> Tel. 734-763-9276
> Email.
> Website.

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