Re: EVI's Concept of the Ideal - mirrors

From: Andy Blunden (
Date: Fri May 14 2004 - 21:24:41 PDT

Sorry, I accidentally omitted the first line of that quote. I've added it
in below.
>At 08:32 PM 14/05/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>Andy, can you give the full citation to LSV's use of the mirrror metaphor?
>>This goes to the question of the use of the term, reflection, in this
>Mike, this is copied from an article Dot Robbins showed me. The source is
>Let us compare consciousness, as is often done, with a mirror image. Let
>the object A be reflected in the mirror as a. Naturally, it would be false
>to say that a in itself is as real as A. It is real in another way. A
>table and its reflection in the mirror are not equally real, but real in a
>different way. The reflection as reflection, as an image of the table, as
>a second table in the mirror is not real, it is a phantom. But the
>reflection of the table as the refraction of light beams on the mirror
>surface - isn't that a thing which is equally material and real as the
>table? Everything else would be a miracle. Then we might say: there exist
>things (a table) and their phantoms (the reflection). But only things
>exist(the table) and the reflection of light upon the surface. The
>phantoms are just apparent relations between the things. That is why no
>science of mirror phantoms is possible. But this does not mean that we
>will never be able to explain the reflection, the phantom. When we know
>the thing and the laws of reflection of light, we can always explain,
>predict, elicit, and change the phantom. And this is what persons with
>mirrors do. They study not mirror reflections but the movement of light
>beams, and explain the reflection. A science about mirror phantoms is
>impossible, but the theory of light and the things which cast and reflect
>it fully explain these "phantoms." (Vygotsky, 1997, p. 327)
>Vygotsky, L. S. (1997). The collected works of L. S. Vygotsky. Vol. 3.
>Problems of the theory and history of psychology. In R. W. Rieber and J.
>Wollock (Eds.). New York: Plenum Press.

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