Re: xmca as zdp: a personal deposition

From: Phil Chappell (
Date: Tue Feb 10 2004 - 02:43:41 PST

Nice one, Ricardo. I share your thoughts on the uniqueness of this
forum - and the roundabout ways that we became members of the
community. I am always fascinated by how topics begin, gain momentum,
and either phfoop off into the ether, or take turns that even a formula
1 driver would marvel at!

By the way, on the archives page you can select a "sort by member" (not
sure of the exact wording) so that you can see an individual's posts
for an entire month. I guess if you had the time you could collate
these over the years.

Nice to be here (an emotional/affective evaluation of the environmental
conditions based on my own meanings for action),


On Feb 9, 2004, at 10:47 PM, Ricardo Japiassu reflected:

> Hi all,
> I have a kind of NEED of telling you all how I feel of beeing part of
> XMCA. I believe that my - conscious - MOTIVE to do this is to satisfy
> that personal need. A need of sharing the kowledge I (co)labored with
> the help of people from all over the world who most of them I only
> meet in my e-mail box, a need of saying how pleased I am for the
> existence of this powerfull tool of learning.
> Thus my END or GOAL here is to legitimate xmca as a pedagogical device
> that goes beyond UCSD limits - and, at the same time, to "out" how I
> feel for beeing part of such a commonality of discoursive practice in
> CHAT episthemological traditions.
> In order to fit it I had to do many specific TASKS like turn on the
> PC, open outlook, type this message in a foreign language etc...
> By the way, in another level of this self-analisis, I did many -
> conscious - ACTIONS (mediated actions) like verbal reflexive thinking
> on my needs and considerations of postpone or outright satisfy a
> personal desire [personaly I have trouble - I do not feel confortable
> - with the use of the word 'immediate' in the context of CHAT
> discoursive traditions because of the centrality of the concept of
> 'mediation' in that perspective] 
> In order to realize those actions I certanly did - and I'm doing right
> now - a great numbers of (not conscious) OPERATIONS.
> On the other hand, the uncouscious reasons of this NEED... Maybe this
> could take a long and boring relate for you :-º
> (1st)
>  I found xmca by an online seaching for Vygotsky by the end of 1996.
> I was that time at ECA-USP studying for a master degree. I remmember I
> made contact with a professor of UCSD - can't remmember his name -
> that gave me the e-mail address of Michel Cole. I found a link to UCSD
> and, there, I became clicking over its professors and sending them
> e-mails asking for informations on xmca. Just one of them replyed. And
> unfortunately today I do not remmember his name anymore.
> That time, I confess, I did not know how important Cole was in
> academic world. I was just getting a little closer to vygotskism. I
> sent a message to Cole and he outright answered me and gave me the way
> to be part of xmca. My English that time was much more limited than it
> is today.
> (2nd)
> Cole, Peter Faruggio, Peter Smagorinsky, Lois Holzman, Dot Robbins and
> many others helped me a lot sending me copy of books and texts by
> regular mail. By them I also could get important information from
> Guillermo Blanck, Antonio Meccacci, Jaan Valsiner - that I
> "discovered" was working as a visitant professor in Brazil.
> (3rd)
> By the year of 2000 I was that time studying in order to get a
> doctorate degree at FE-USP and I had a chance to meet Cole in
> Campinas. I also "saw" there Wertsch, Barbara Rogoff, Valsiner, Van
> der Veer and many others - I went to the communication session of
> Eugene Matusov but I knew he could not be present that time in Brazil.
> (4th)
> Today here I am. Still struggling with my limitations in English,
> trying to understand more and better the world I live in and my self
> by the lens of CHAT. And beeing scaffolding by you all.
> I like to say I NEVER found in all net a virtual communality like
> xmca. I made - and make - part of many list-servs and e-groups in
> Brazil and other countries but any of them , ANY, has a sistematic
> approach of issues neither a real and sincere academic engagement of
> memmbers like we all can "see" in xmca.
> XMCA is out of all that bullshit transnational mercantile fetishism we
> find everywhere.
> Aside this, in other e-groups I note that people are someway "afraid"
> of outing their thinking and discussions often ends contaminated by
> superficiallity. Maybe the sucess of xmca be its institutional
> dimmensions and the supportive context of LCHC... I really would like
> to know studies on it. To investigate xmca's possibilities and
> limits comparing it with other list-groups as zdp maybe could help us
> understand better ourselves.
> In this sense, for example, I think it would be helpfull a xmca's tool
> that could make possible quickly join all messages of one specific
> member. Is this tool available?
> XMCA is a typical "tool-and-result" method or ZDP. With such a tool -
> like that one pointed above - one could observe, for example, who we
> are and who we are becoming along our "online lives" in xmca.
> Are there rigorous studies that focus xmca as a listsev? If yes, what
> are they? If not, why?
> Ricardo Ottoni Vaz Japiassu
> Universidade do Estado da Bahia/Uneb

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