Re: ZPD/Chaiklin and Vygotsky/Bakhtin

From: David H Kirshner (
Date: Wed Jan 14 2004 - 07:06:15 PST

Pity the theoretical excerpt was not included in the article. I find the
section on imitation very useful, and would like to cite it. Can you
suggest to me how APA might want me to do this (or give me whatever
elements might need to be included in the citation of this unpublished
work)? Also, please share any further insight you might have on the
seemingly contradictory proposal that "Imitation, in contrast to the
mimetic habituation involved in training, is part of what Vygotsky [1987]
calls 'instruction' in which one learns something 'fundamentally new' (p.
210). I'm intrigued by Van der Veer and Valsiner (1991) reading of
Vygotsky that "'children are capable of intellectual, insightful
imitation.' (pp. 344-345)."
David Kirshner

                      Peter Smagorinsky
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At 06:00 PM 1/14/2004 +0700, you wrote: A question based on the article
that might be worthwhile pursuing once the discussion of Paul's paper has
subsided is based on Mike's observation of the underplaying of the idea of
imitation. What is the "special" meaning that LSV attaches to the word

For the article I recently attached on learning to teach the five-paragraph

theme, we had originally written the attached theoretical section, which
the reviewers recommended that we eliminate as irrelevant to the study.
I've set it aside for potential use later, but it relates to Vygotsky's
beliefs about imitation in relation to his discussion of the zpd and may
contribute to a consideration of Phil's question. Peter(See attached file:
The Zone of Proximal Development.doc)(See attached file: The Zone of
Proximal Development.doc)

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