Ricardo -- i was referring to chimpanzees. Interesting notion that rules
are involved when, for instance, dogs play with one another. I'll have to
think about that....
Judy
At 12:16 AM 7/6/01 -0300, you wrote:
>Would you please, Judge, tell me what chimps is/are? Pretend play?
>
>According to Vygotsky any play has rules, even pretend play - although rules
>implicit to an imaginary situation.
>
>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: Judith Diamondstone <diamonju@rci.rutgers.edu>
>Para: xmca@weber.ucsd.edu <xmca@weber.ucsd.edu>
>Data: Quinta-feira, 5 de Julho de 2001 21:54
>Assunto: Re: levels
>
>
>>Hi, Bill -- Thanks for making a connection between Mike's interest in
>>Thibault & Ana's in play. Like Ana, I'm interested in play as
>>proto-languaging and as proto-activity. (Chimps, of course, play, though
>>not with rules, and I think they don't as easily mistake their play for
>>serious business as we do.) Theories of cultural development would be
>>woefully inadequate without an account of play, performance, make believe,
>>at the level of culture.
>>
>>I loved the Thibault article; it pulled so much together for me. I regret
>>that I can't write a more in-depth response at the moment.
>>
>>Judy
>>
>>/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>>Ana's reference to Bateson anplay is a wonderful insight, having read
>>Mike's plea for the bigger picture. "this is play" communicates to frame
>>an activity
>>>among participants. What this o(what we are communicating now arouind
>>Thibault)
>>>seems to be about is just that (that being Mike's and Ana's ideas
>>combined) --
>>>finding an interpretive frame for observing and thinking about human
>>>interaction.
>>>
>>>I complained about using spatial metaphors and suffering their excess
>>semiotic
>>>baggage - levels implies hierarchy (especially, as B&G might argue is a
>>>phenomenon of capitalist society), but then there are layers, channels and
>>>dimensions, all of which can go on in parallel and mutual influence, i.e.
>>>bidirectional causality.
>>>
>>>Mike seems to say bio-evo-psychologists are playing a bigger game, and he
>>>doesn't want chat'ers excluded from it.
>>>
>>>How to take phylogeny into account for chat studies? Eeek! Tongue in
>cheek,
>>>does it not belong to the generations of researchers to follow? Is this
>too
>>>much to bite off?
>>>
>>>Although it makes sense, I am clueless.
>>>
>>>bb
>>>
>>>=====
>>>"One of life's quiet excitements is to stand somewhat apart from yourself
>>and watch yourself softly become the author of something beautiful."
>>>[Norman Maclean in "A river runs through it."]
>>>
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