Re: RE: On Leontiev

From: Phillip White (Phillip_White@ceo.cudenver.edu)
Date: Wed Sep 27 2000 - 13:24:11 PDT


xmca@weber.ucsd.edu writes:
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Nate scrobe:
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>Phillip, I am not familar with Edelmann - could you elaborate - he might
>serve as an interesting contrast. It might also make the implications of
>one
>view or the other more explicit.
        
i kind of fell off the ship - took me a while to clamber back on -

        okay - Edelman, Greald M. "Bright air, brilliant fire; On the matter
of the mind. (1992) Basic Books.

        to be very fast, Edelman asserts that while many animals have primary
consciousness, humans have higher concsiousness because of a recursive
loop through the language center of the brain - to be very quick -
through the brain stem, hypothalamus & autonomic systems we have value -
along with the primary cortical areas (perception), through reentrant
mapping of perceptual categorization & frontal, temporal, parietal
cortices (conceptual categorization), looping on through Broca's and
Wernicke's areas (semantics, syntax, phonology)

        through these physical structures of the brain, recursive neuronal paths,
learning occurs through social exchange.

        so, it seems to me that we come to activity (labor/work etc.) with a
simultaneously evolving physical brain structure. the two systems
boot-strap one another.

        therefore, contrary to Marx, consciousness would not arise out of labour.
 

        and while there is the notion of the ideal floating out there, i wonder
if we're not confusing "ideals" with a teleonomy?

phillip
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          / \ / \ / \
 / \ / \

 Buddha speaking to Vasettha:
          One is not a brahmin by birth,
          Nor by birth a non-brahmin.
          By action is one a brahmin,
          by action is one a non-brahmin.
                                So that is how the truly wise
                                See action as it really is,
                                Seers of dependent origination,
                                Skilled in actions and its results.
                                                  Action makes the world
go round,
                                                  Action makes this
generation turn.
                                                  Living beings are bound
by action
                                                  Like the chariot wheel
by the pin.

phillip white
third grade teacher
doctoral student
scrambling a dissertation
denver, colorado
phillip_white@ceo.cudenver.edu



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