Re: 2ND THOUGHTS

nate (schmolze who-is-at students.wisc.edu)
Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:48:40 -0500

<does anyone know about the work of Zhozephina Shif? she worked
< with Vygotsky (p. 146, Thought & language - paperback).

In reference to Shif:

My understanding is the scientific/ everyday concepts were Shif's work.

Collected Works V.3
Problems of th Theory and History of Psychology
"On Vygotsky's Creative Development"
By Leontiev page 28

" Shif estabilshed in her investigations that the child develops scientific
concepts in another way. The are the "generalization of ideas". Here the
connection is established between concepts, and systems are formed. Then
the child becomes aware of his own intellectual activity".

Van Der Veer and Valsiner (page269) mention chapter 6 of Thinking and
Speech was a preface to Shif's 1935 book..

It does bring up an interesting point of since Chapter 6 was written as a
preface to Shif's 1935 book why Vygotsky, rather than Shif is credited with
the idea of scientific/everyday concepts in the west. We tend to see the
work of Leontiev, Luria etc. as both a part of and seperate from Vygotsky;
whereas, Shif whose research is so influential in many of Vygotsky's ideas
is seen only as a part of. The same can be said of Krasussky whose
research in Defectology was very influential in the role Vygotsky gave to
the collective.

Looking through my Defectology text I found the following footnotes which I
found interesting.

E.K. Gracheva (1866-1934) She was the first Russian
pedagogue-defectologist. She was widely known in Defectology as Auntie
Kati.

Krupskaia, Nadezhda Konstantivovna (1869-1939) In her pedogogical works
Krupskaia's thoroughly and critically examined the notion of the "morally,
defective child".

"On the Question of Morally Defective Children"
Pedogogical Works, Vol. 2
Moscow 1979

Nate

----- Original Message -----
From: Phillip Allen White <pwhite who-is-at carbon.cudenver.edu>
To: <xmca who-is-at weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 1999 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: 2ND THOUGHTS

> On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Diane HODGES wrote:
>
> one of my favorite lines from Chorus Line - tits and ass, they
> sure don't help, unless they're yours.
>
> does anyone know about the work of Zhozephina Shif? she worked
> with Vygotsky (p. 146, Thought & language - paperback).
>
> and yes, count me in -
>
> also, someone who is not on this list, Myriam Torres - thought i
> might be mistaken, but i can't remember seeing her name - she's in
> Monterrey, California, has done interesting work with Vygotsky.
>
> and, Eva, are you presently lounging on the beaches of Greece?
>
> i'd like to hear your voice - yes!
>
> phillip
>
> phillip white pwhite who-is-at carbon.cudenver.edu
>
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