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[Xmca-l] Re: Taxis and Embedding in Conversation



Martin, Michael,
Thank you for both responding with directions to explore to develop the meaning of mitsein.
I appreciate Martin recommending the book that clarifies the contrast with Heiddeger. This seems basic as a first step to be able to use the notion of mitsein as being with “being-with”
I was fascinated when I read Gadamer discussing his relation to Heiddeger and pointing out his path was to expand through philosophical hermeneutics the notion of mitsein. 
.
So my first interest is in tracing the development of the term mitsein as it moves through Binswanger and Existential phenomenology.

With that grounding I will then turn to Nancy’s further elaboration that extends mitsein into a wider cultural context as a mode of being there.
Michael, I hear you have taken this wider scope through  moving beyond the psychotherapeutic setting and bringing the notion of mitsein into classroom contexts.  This is my growing edge.

Then with more clarity I hope the opportunity arises open to link mitsein more fully into themes such as James Ma is exploring through “intellectual well-being” as a mode of being there. This mode James considers as a “virtue” of the relation “teaching-learning”
 that moves beyond “instrumental mastery”

James, Martin, Michael, thank you for your generosity which I find so exciting and inspiring and hopeful. 
Now to follow these leads

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From: Wolff-Michael Roth
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 5:18 PM
To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Taxis and Embedding in Conversation

I just looked and I see the introduction and the first chapter can be read
on Google:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=0SWWAOazlRUC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Michael


Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor

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On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:

> In that case, Larry may be interested in the relevant chapter  in
>
> Roth, W.-M. (2002). Being and becoming in the classroom. Westport, CT:
> Ablex/Greenwood.
>
> I think it is chapter 2 that is entitled "Being-in and Being-with".
>
> The work in the book arises out of my classroom work, as a teacher (not as
> a university professional going back to the classroom, though this is
> described in the book, too, but as a resident classroom teacher---who
> eventually becomes a university professor).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
>
>
> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
>
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> --------------------
> Applied Cognitive Science
> MacLaurin Building A567
> University of Victoria
> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
>
> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Martin John Packer <
> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co> wrote:
>
>> Right, Michael. But Nancy is extending the philosophical project of a
>> Dasein analytic. I took Larry to be asking about applications, so to speak,
>> in psychology or education.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 5, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
>> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > I think the most extended meditation on being-with in recent years is
>> that
>> > by Jean-Luc Nancy. It is an integral part of *Being Singular Plural*,
>> and
>> > he also deals with it in an essay "The being-with of being there" in
>> > the *Continental
>> > Philosophy Review*, 2008.
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> > Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------------------
>> > Applied Cognitive Science
>> > MacLaurin Building A567
>> > University of Victoria
>> > Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
>> > http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
>> >
>> > New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
>> > <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-dir
>> ections-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics
>> -of-mathematics/>*
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Martin John Packer <
>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Larry,
>> >>
>> >> The principal exploration of mitsein (being-with) that I know of is
>> with
>> >> regard to therapy. Existential therapy in particular, for example…
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00071773.2005.11006556>
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 5, 2017, at 5:52 PM, Lplarry <lpscholar2@gmail.com<mailto:l
>> >> pscholar2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Martin,
>> >> Thanks for this clarification.
>> >> So mitsein is a particular mode of being- there in the here-and-now
>> >> situation.
>> >> mitsein being  a mode that (could be) in the realm of possibility in
>> the
>> >> here and now situation.
>> >> Does this mode of mitsein express an affinity with James Ma’s focus on
>> >> intellectual virtues?
>> >> The focus on higher academic teaching and learning as a process of
>> >> cultivation of the mode of mitsein as a could be possible dasein?
>> >> In contrast to the dominant mode of instrumental mastery
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
>> >>
>> >> From: Martin John Packer
>> >> Sent: July 5, 2017 2:57 PM
>> >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
>> >> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Taxis and Embedding in Conversation
>> >>
>> >> Larry,
>> >>
>> >> Dasein is usually unpacked as ‘Being-there,’ and it is said that
>> >> Heidegger’s point was that humans understand themselves, and one
>> another,
>> >> in terms of their situatedness. In the here-&-now, not in the entire
>> >> cosmos!  :)
>> >>
>> >> There is a discussion of mitsein in Being & Time, too. But Gadamer
>> >> certainly gave it more emphasis than Heidegger did. Mitsein, for
>> Heidegger,
>> >> is a mode or aspect of Dasein. It is a way in which Dasein (human
>> being)
>> >> can be.
>> >>
>> >> Martin
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Jul 5, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com<mailto:l
>> >> pscholar2@gmail.com><mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Less a protesting intent than da-sein [being-THAT] . Gadamer
>> >> points out that Heiddeger's focus on da-sein pervades his project and
>> that
>> >> Gadamer intende to shift towards the centrality of mit-sein
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
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