[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

[Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started SOCIOLOGY | PSYCHOLOGY



True, Michael, in pointing to the aphorisms of Vygotsky and Marx on psychology/sociology, you are going much further than mere declarations. As ever, I went too far in my effort to be succinct. It seems to me still, however, that these two wonderful and very concrete aphorisms still leave us the job of understanding *how* this unity is to be achieved.

Andy

------------------------------------------------------------
Andy Blunden
http://home.mira.net/~andy
http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
On 11/06/2017 10:19 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth wrote:
Hi Andy, I don't follow you. I don't denounce but raise a question; and I point to the literature where the link between individual and collective emotion is done. And I do not see where there is a declaration, unless you mean the index to the literature. Michael


Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Applied Cognitive Science
MacLaurin Building A567
University of Victoria
Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>

New book: */The Mathematics of Mathematics <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/>/*

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net <mailto:ablunden@mira.net>> wrote:

    Declarations are cheap, Michael. Denunciations of
    dichotomy are a dime-a-dozen. The point is: how is it
    done?

    Andy

    ------------------------------------------------------------
    Andy Blunden
    http://home.mira.net/~andy <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
    http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
    <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>

    On 11/06/2017 2:15 AM, Wolff-Michael Roth wrote:

        Does Vygotsky not move beyond the dichotomy
        sociology | psychology when he acknowledges
        ("Concrete Human Psychology") that "any higher
        psychological function was a social relation" and
        "personality: the ensemble of societal relations"?

        On emotions you might find interesting the work of
        Randall Collins, "Interaction ritual chains",
        which acknowledges the constitutive relation
        between individual and collective emotions

        Michael


        Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor

        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Applied Cognitive Science
        MacLaurin Building A567
        University of Victoria
        Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
        http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth
        <http://web.uvic.ca/%7Emroth>
        <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/
        <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>>

        New book: */The Mathematics of Mathematics
        <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/
        <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/>>/*



        On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Larry Purss
        <lpscholar2@gmail.com
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>> wrote:

            In advancing this  thread exploring
         sociology/psychology and their connections, Andy
            explores how these connections can be thought
        about
            within a single science or theory. This opens
        up the
            question of multiple approaches to how we relate
            sociology and psychology within differing sciences
            using uniting  frames.

            Greg introduces the book (Affective Circuits)
        which is
            attempting to move beyond the concept of the
        nation
            state and the sending/receiving polarity of
            ‘methodological nationalism’
            The difficulty becomes this focusing on
        multitudes of
            understanding (multiple cultural, economic and
            political contexts – simultaneously unfolding).
            Then holding this multitude while considering
        kinship
            and intimate relations.
            The intent of this book to open up new ways of
            thinking about migration in which the search for
            marriage or ties to kin can sometimes re-place the
            search for work.
            The focus of the book exploring the way EVOKING
            powerful emotions regulate and disrupt ‘affective
            circuits’.

            Definition of Affective Circuits:
            The social formations that emerge from the
        sending,
            withholding and receiving of goods, ideas,
        bodies, and
            emotions.
            These social formations being multitudes that
        occur
            simultaneously.

            Alfredo, emotions and infrastructure operating
        across
            multiple LATERAL sites or contexts seems to be a
            complex question.

            Sent from Mail for Windows 10

            From: Andy Blunden
            Sent: June 9, 2017 7:50 PM
            To: xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>
            <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
            Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
            SOCIOLOGY | PSYCHOLOGY

            Er. "not do any research on the dynamics of the
            institutions
            of formal education (for example) by by"
            should be "do research on the dynamics of the
        institutions
            of formal education (for example) by"

            Sorry,
            Andy

------------------------------------------------------------
            Andy Blunden
        http://home.mira.net/~andy
        <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
        <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
        http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
        <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>


<http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
        <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>>

            On 10/06/2017 12:03 PM, Andy Blunden wrote:
            > Alfredo, in every science there are specialisms
            which are
            > necessarily pursued in relatively
        independent research
            > communities, despite being part of the same
        science.
            What
            > makes all these specialisms parts of the one
        science is
            > the use of concepts which are shared across
        the whole
            > science and are necessarily connected in the
            constitution
            > of the science. CHAT is such a science; its
        basic
            concepts
            > such as artefact-mediated actions and
        activities are
            basic
            > to both psychology and social theory as we
        approach it.
            > Therefore the educational psychologist may
        *not* do *any
            > *research on the dynamics of the
        institutions of formal
            > education (for example) by *by *dint of the fact
            > "activity" is a shared concept, discoveries
        from one
            > research field can enter the research in the
        other, and
            > from time to time problems in educational
        psychology
            will
            > find their solution in the social theory of
        formal
            > educational institutions, and vice versa.
            >
            > Andy
            >
            >
------------------------------------------------------------
            > Andy Blunden
            > http://home.mira.net/~andy
        <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
            <http://home.mira.net/%7Eandy>
            >
        http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
        <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>


<http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
        <http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making>>
            >
            > On 10/06/2017 5:11 AM, Alfredo Jornet Gil wrote:
            >> I had to make a pause in my contributing to the
            >> discussion, as we (my family) are these
        days relocating
            >> from Victoria to Europe (in Spain at the
        moment). But I
            >> have kept  wondering (and wandering) around
        the topic
            >> that came up in Yasuko Kawatoko's article
        concerning
            >> emotion and infrastructure, and then about
        ANT and
            CHAT.
            >> And so I was thinking that the question
        relates to that
            >> of the connection between sociology and
        psychology,
            does
            >> not it? For is there the possibility of a
        psychology
            >> without a sociology in either ANT or CHAT?
            >>
            >> To travel from Victoria to Alicante, we (2
        adults and a
            >> 7-year and a 2-year) had to take a drive (a
        friend
            drove
            >> us) from (no longer) home to the airport,
        then, after a
            >> number of procedures at the airport, got into a
            plain to
            >> fly Victoria - Calgary; then Calgary -
        Amsterdam; then
            >> Amsterdam - Madrid, then a taxi that would
        drive us
            to a
            >> high-speed train to Alicante. Then a
        (family) drive
            from
            >> Alicante to a small town in the province of
        Valencia.
            >> That's an infrastructure. And that's a lot
        of affect
            >> generated. I could not help but to think on the
            relation
            >> between infrastructure and emotion all the
        way...
            >>
            >> Alfredo
            >> ________________________________________
            >> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>>
            >> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>>> on
        behalf of
            Larry
            >> Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
            <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>>

            >> Sent: 02 June 2017 07:05
            >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
            >> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion
        started
            >>
            >> Michael, to pick up this thread:
            >> “ The important part of the quotation is
        this: "*the
            >> methods* in
            >> and through which members concertedly
        produce and
            >> assemble," and these
            >> include making the very production and assembly
            available
            >> to each other.
            >>
            >> In particular the phrase:
            >>
            >> “in and through which” the methods are
        assembled
            [arranged].
            >>
            >> Here is the way that Kenneth Liberman makes
        a similar
            >> observation within a note # 1
            >>
            >>   1 The phrase ‘‘in and as of’’ intends to
        retain the
            >> actual state of affairs of a social practice.
            Instead of
            >> conceiving of a metaphysical object,
        ‘‘science,’’ which
            >> ‘‘has’’ certain practices, a science
        consists of its
            >> practices. It does not exist apart from
        them; in fact,
            >> the task of any inquiry into the lebenswelt
        origins of
            >> sciences takes its departure from this
        recognition. A
            >> science is nothing more than, and nothing less
            than, the
            >> activities of its practitioners. The phrase
        promises to
            >> retain the important insight, which is
        consistent with
            >> Husserl’s own phenomenological discoveries,
        that a
            >> science does not merely exist in its
        practices, it
            exists
            >> as its practices. The perspective is vital
        to an
            >> anti-essentialist inquiry, and the phrase
        is employed
            >> frequently in ethnomethodology (cf.
        Garfinkel, 2002, p.
            >> 92, 99, 138, 207, 211, 246, 247; Garfinkel
        and Wieder,
            >> 1992, p. 175).
            >>
            >> So the two  phrases
            >> “in and through which” & “in and as of” are
            indicating a
            >> way of making visible a work  or a method or a
            discipline
            >> AS practices.
            >>
            >> For further elaboration here reproduced a  full
            page of
            >> the article written by Kenneth Liberman
        where note
            #1 is
            >> generated: This page  may be taking us off
        topic or it
            >> may be relevant?? This page  is bringing in
        another
            >> approach exploring the origins of ethno
        “methods”.
            >>
            >> “ While Husserl provided the direction for our
            >> ethnomethodological investigations, the
        lived work of
            >> various sciences––in their coherent,
        work-site specific
            >> organizational
        Things-in-distinctive-details, case by
            >> case for the particular sciences––are
        obscured by
            >> Husserl’s use of formal generalities in
        both The
            >> Gottingen Lectures and The Crisis.
        Regrettably, and
            as a
            >> certainty, both of Husserl’s treatises lose the
            >> phenomenon they were written carefully to
        describe.
            That
            >> is, they lose the phenomenon of the actual
            work-sites of
            >> any science. And there they also lose the
        instructed
            >> actions of the scientists, i.e. their actual
            >> world-generating collaborations. They lose the
            phenomenon
            >> by losing just-how their instructed actions are
            >> administered to reveal for the scientists their
            work, as
            >> well as the objects they are studying. In
        Husserl’s
            >> program, the lebenswelt origins, being only
        formally
            >> exhibited by the lectures, do not actually
        describe any
            >> lebenswelt practices.
            >>   They do not exhibit lebenswelt practices with
            >> lived-in-the-course instructed actions.
        They merely
            >> allude to lebenswelt practices. The real
        achievement of
            >> Husserl’s program, then, is that the actual
        lived
            work of
            >> sciences are alluded to as lived practices.
        And that is
            >> no small achievement. The Gottingen
        Lectures and The
            >> Crisis assert the promises of Husserl’s
        monumental
            >> program. Their incongruous anomaly is that
        their
            promise
            >> was neither noticed nor recognized by bench
            practitioners
            >> of any science. The program of The Crisis
        was never
            taken
            >> up by scientists, nor was it welcomed as
        filling a
            ‘‘gap’’
            >> in the coherence of a particular science,
        in and as of
            >> its discovered topics and practices.1
        Nevertheless,
            >> despite the fact that scientists rarely
        welcomed
            >> Husserl’s inquiries, in epistemological
        philosophy the
            >> program remains venerated as Husserl’s
        achievement. Yet
            >> even there Husserl’s program has not been
        taken up in a
            >> radical way, as the familiar haecceities2 o
            >>   f an actual science. It has only been used to
            >> illustrate cases for ep
            >> istemological arguments about the sciences.
        Hence, the
            >> task of taking up Husserl’s program
        seriously remains.
            >> This is not to say that no ground has been
        gained. Very
            >> little in The Gottingen Lectures
        redescribes the lived
            >> work of any actual science. On the
        contrary, the
            lectures
            >> forcefully point to the absence of
        haecceities in
            any and
            >> every particular science. These absent
        details can
            >> involve the shop talk, local gestural
        organization, the
            >> local endogenous practices of social order
            production and
            >> accountability, and their coherent substantive
            material,
            >> which might include board notes, personal
        notebooks,
            >> diaries, diagrams, scribblings, books, ....”
            >>
>> The theme here is the shift from a theory being
            >> “formally exhibited” within  disciplinary
        methods to
            >> re-mark what was previously  formally
        exhibited to
            become
            >> a method of describing lebenswelt
        practices. [ethno
            >> practices].
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
            >>
            >> From: Wolff-Michael Roth
            >> Sent: June 1, 2017 5:48 PM
            >> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
            >> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion
        started
            >>
            >> Thanks Martin,
            >>
            >> I do not view what I am saying--though it is
            differently
            >> said---from what
            >> you quote. The important part of the
        quotation is this:
            >> "*the methods* in
            >> and through which members concertedly
        produce and
            >> assemble," and these
            >> include making the very production and assembly
            available
            >> to each other. In
            >> all of this, some things are unquestioned, and
            Garfinkel
            >> wrote considerably
            >> on the invisible background assumption . . .
            >>
            >> Michael
            >>
            >>
            >> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
            >>
            >>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            >>
            >> Applied Cognitive Science
            >> MacLaurin Building A567
            >> University of Victoria
            >> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
            >> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth
        <http://web.uvic.ca/%7Emroth>
        <http://web.uvic.ca/%7Emroth>
            >> <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/
        <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
            <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/
        <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>>>
            >>
            >> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
            >>
<https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/
        <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/>
<https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/
        <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/>>>*
            >>
            >>
            >> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Martin John
        Packer
            >> <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
        <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
            <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
        <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>>>

            >> wrote:
            >>
            >>> Hi Wolff-Michael,
            >>>
            >>> I agree with most of what you’ve written,
        but not the
            >>> suggestion that EM
            >>> starts from the assumption that people
        (simply) make
            >>> visible order that has
            >>> its origins somewhere else. I’ll quote from an
            >>> encyclopedia article by Doug
            >>> Maynard and Teddy Kardash:
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Ethnomethodology is an area in sociology
            originating in
            >>> the work of Harold
            >>> Garfinkel. It represents an effort to
        study the
            methods
            >>> in and through
            >>> which members concertedly produce and
        assemble the
            >>> features of everyday
            >>> life in any actual, concrete, and not
        hypothetical or
            >>> theoretically
            >>> depicted setting…. Members of society
        achieve this
            >>> intelligible
            >>> organization through actual, coordinated,
        concerted,
            >>> procedural behaviors
            >>> or methods and practices.
            >>>
            >>>   Martin
            >>>
            >>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Wolff-Michael
        Roth <
            >>> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com
        <mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>
            <mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com
        <mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>><mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com
        <mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>

            <mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com
        <mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>>>>
            >>> wrote:
            >>>
            >>> Martin,
            >>> I would have thought that
        ethno*methodology* is the
            >>> study of the methods,
            >>> the work, people use to make social orders
        visible. In
            >>> this, it is very
            >>> different from all other research,
        qualitative and
            >>> quantitative. Garfinkel
            >>> describes it as *incommensurably different
        *from,
            among
            >>> others,
            >>> interpretive studies of social life. He
            distinguishes EM
            >>> from formal
            >>> analytic studies, all those that have to
        specify
            methods
            >>> because these
            >>> methods are different from the methods
        people use in
            >>> everyday life. EM does
            >>> not dispute the results of other research; its
            interests
            >>> are completely
            >>> elsewhere.
            >>> Practically, EM is interested in change if
        it is what
            >>> people do; it is not
            >>> interested in the change but how people do
        make change
            >>> and the required
            >>> work visible to each other.
            >>> Michael
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
            >>>
            >>>
------------------------------------------------------------
            >>>
            >>> --------------------
            >>> Applied Cognitive Science
            >>> MacLaurin Building A567
            >>> University of Victoria
            >>> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
            >>> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth
        <http://web.uvic.ca/%7Emroth>
            <http://web.uvic.ca/%7Emroth>
            >>> <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/
        <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
            <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/
        <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>>>
            >>>
            >>> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
            >>>
<https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
        <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new->
<https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
        <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new->>
            >>>
        directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
            >>> mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
            >>>
            >>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Alfredo
        Jornet Gil
            >>> <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>
            >>> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
            <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>>>
            >>> wrote:
            >>>
            >>> Larry, I also was thinking that
        visibility, in other
            >>> EM/CA studies also as
            >>> instructability, speaks to change. A
            >>> ________________________________________
            >>> From:
            >>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>><mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@ <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@>>
            >>> mailman.ucsd.edu <http://mailman.ucsd.edu>
        <http://mailman.ucsd.edu>>
            >>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>><mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@ <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@>>
            >>> mailman.ucsd.edu <http://mailman.ucsd.edu>
        <http://mailman.ucsd.edu>>>
            >>> on behalf of Larry Purss
            >>> <lpscholar2@gmail.com
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>
            <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>><mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>

            <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
        <mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com>>
            >>> Sent: 02 June 2017 01:44
            >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
            >>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion
        started
            >>>
            >>> Martin,
            >>> This sentence,
            >>> “Creating and sustaining order always
        requires change”
            >>> And therefore makes visible change as the norm
            >>> Seems to be pregnant with an evocative
        enacting of
            >>> possibility for novel
            >>> kinds of social fabric[continuing with the
        weaving
            theme]
            >>>
            >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
            >>>
            >>> From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
            >>> Sent: June 1, 2017 4:18 PM
            >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
            >>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion
        started
            >>>
            >>> Yes, I agree with what you say. I guess I
        used the
            word
            >>> change where I
            >>> meant development. So I am going to change my
            question:
            >>>
            >>> What do and could do researchers concerned
        with
            >>> development (social,
            >>> personal) with EM.
            >>>
            >>> You recently shared with us a beautiful
        book on the
            >>> topic of development.
            >>> How does EM feature in it?
            >>> Alfredo
            >>> ________________________________________
            >>> From:
            >>> xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>><mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@ <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@>>
            >>> mailman.ucsd.edu <http://mailman.ucsd.edu>
        <http://mailman.ucsd.edu>>
            >>> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>><mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
        <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@>
            <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@ <mailto:xmca-l-bounces@>>
            >>> mailman.ucsd.edu <http://mailman.ucsd.edu>
        <http://mailman.ucsd.edu>>>
            >>> on behalf of Martin John Packer
            >>> <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
        <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
            <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
        <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>><mailto:
            >>> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
        <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
            <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co
        <mailto:mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>>>>
            >>> Sent: 02 June 2017 00:40
            >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
            >>> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion
        started
            >>>
            >>> Hi Alfredo,
            >>>
            >>> I’ve always thought that EM deals very
        well with
            change,
            >>> because it does
            >>> not treat stasis as the norm. EM is the
        study of the
            >>> methods that people
            >>> (actants) employ to create and sustain
        order, various
            >>> kinds of order.
            >>> Creating and sustaining order always
        requires change.
            >>>
            >>> Martin
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil
            >>> <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>
            >>> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
            <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>>
            >>> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
            <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
        <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>>> wrote:
            >>>
            >>> I personally find ethnomethodology EM
        fascinating
            and a
            >>> powerful approach
            >>> to stick the realities of social life; but
        I always
            >>> wondered what does EM
            >>> do with questions of change.
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>
            >>
            >
            >
            >