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It is a treat to drop in on this conversation. At a dissertation the other
day I learned that Garfinkel had referred to the "awesome
indexicality" of everyday life. Seems like a ripe set of circumstances for
conflict and emotion to be visible, as they are in Yasuko's case study. The
qu0te from Engestrom & Saninon works well for me. " Contradictions are
manifested in everyday actions as troubles and disturbances"
mike

PS- my oh my! both martin and michael have comment in the time it took me
to type this brief note! time to retire. :-)

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>
wrote:

> Hi Wolff-Michael,
>
> I agree with most of what you’ve written, but not the suggestion that EM
> starts from the assumption that people (simply) make visible order that has
> its origins somewhere else. I’ll quote from an encyclopedia article by Doug
> Maynard and Teddy Kardash:
>
>
> Ethnomethodology is an area in sociology originating in the work of Harold
> Garfinkel. It represents an effort to study the methods in and through
> which members concertedly produce and assemble the features of everyday
> life in any actual, concrete, and not hypothetical or theoretically
> depicted setting…. Members of society achieve this intelligible
> organization through actual, coordinated, concerted, procedural behaviors
> or methods and practices.
>
>  Martin
>
> On Jun 1, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com<mailto:wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Martin,
> I would have thought that ethno*methodology* is the study of the methods,
> the work, people use to make social orders visible. In this, it is very
> different from all other research, qualitative and quantitative. Garfinkel
> describes it as *incommensurably different *from, among others,
> interpretive studies of social life. He distinguishes EM from formal
> analytic studies, all those that have to specify methods because these
> methods are different from the methods people use in everyday life. EM does
> not dispute the results of other research; its interests are completely
> elsewhere.
> Practically, EM is interested in change if it is what people do; it is not
> interested in the change but how people do make change and the required
> work visible to each other.
> Michael
>
>
> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------
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> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
>
> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
> directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
> mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>>
> wrote:
>
> Larry, I also was thinking that visibility, in other EM/CA studies also as
> instructability, speaks to change. A
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
> mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
> mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> on behalf of Larry Purss <lpscholar2@gmail.com<mailto:lpscholar2@gmail.com
> >>
> Sent: 02 June 2017 01:44
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
>
> Martin,
> This sentence,
> “Creating and sustaining order always requires change”
> And therefore makes visible change as the norm
> Seems to be pregnant with an evocative enacting of possibility for novel
> kinds of social fabric[continuing with the weaving theme]
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Alfredo Jornet Gil
> Sent: June 1, 2017 4:18 PM
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
>
> Yes, I agree with what you say. I guess I used the word change where I
> meant development. So I am going to change my question:
>
> What do and could do researchers concerned with development (social,
> personal) with EM.
>
> You recently shared with us a beautiful book on the topic of development.
> How does EM feature in it?
> Alfredo
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
> mailman.ucsd.edu> <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu<mailto:xmca-l-bounces@
> mailman.ucsd.edu>>
> on behalf of Martin John Packer <mpacker@uniandes.edu.co<mailto:
> mpacker@uniandes.edu.co>>
> Sent: 02 June 2017 00:40
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: xmca new discussion started
>
> Hi Alfredo,
>
> I’ve always thought that EM deals very well with change, because it does
> not treat stasis as the norm. EM is the study of the methods that people
> (actants) employ to create and sustain order, various kinds of order.
> Creating and sustaining order always requires change.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no
> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
> <mailto:a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>> wrote:
>
> I personally find ethnomethodology EM fascinating and a powerful approach
> to stick the realities of social life; but I always wondered what does EM
> do with questions of change.
>
>
>
>
>
>