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Thanks! It's hard to follow all the twists in translation.
Mike
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:39 PM Wolff-Michael Roth <
wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:

> You also might find interesting that on page X of the German version of the
> *Ideology*, in the introduction by the Central Committee, there is a phrase
> on the function of thinking, the "needs, interests, inclinations, and
> feelings of man...", which you can easily relate to the introduction
> of *Thinking
> and Speech*, where Vygotsky writes about the fundamental problem of
> psychology. I don't know whether Vygotsky read the German version (1932) or
> the Russian (1933), but much of what he writes in the last 2 paragraphs of
> the book (3 paragraphs in the English translations, 1986, 1987), the
> "bigger problem" of conscioussnes, and parts of the first chapter, are
> "inspired" by the *Ideology*. Michael
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
> Applied Cognitive Science
> MacLaurin Building A567
> University of Victoria
> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
>
> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> <
> https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/
> >*
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike, there are parts of the text in Vygotsky (Thinking and speech),
> > which, in the original (1934, also the 2005 compilation, the German
> > version), have quotation marks. In the English translation the quotation
> > marks have disappeared (as in the 1984 Russian version). Also disappeared
> > has the paraphrase of consciousness being cursed by matter, which is in
> the
> > original, but which has been purged from the later Russian and all
> English
> > translations.
> >
> > Anton and someone else have published a piece with all the changes that
> > have been implemented with respect to the 1934 publication.
> >
> > I am pasting here from the original. You see the quotation marks. The
> > green part is about the curse of matter on consciousness, which is
> missing
> > in the English versions. The quotations are from Marx and Engels, *The
> > German Ideology*, at least the German and Russian version. (Not all
> > English translations do justice to the reference publications by the
> > Institute for Marxism-Leninism, which was published in Moscow in German,
> > 1932, and Russian, 1933):
> >
> > Если «язык так же древен, как сознание», если «язык и есть практическое,
> > существующее для других людей, а следовательно, и для меня самого,
> сознание
> > », если «проклятие материи, проклятие движущихся слоев воздухазначально
> > тяготеет над чистым сознанием», то очевидно, что
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------------------
> > Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
> > Applied Cognitive Science
> > MacLaurin Building A567
> > University of Victoria
> > Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> > http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
> >
> > New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> > <
> https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/
> >*
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:09 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> What Marx quotations are those who have access only to the English
> >> translation missing, Michael?
> >>
> >> mike
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
> >> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Carol,
> >> >
> >> > the key point is to look at that in what people do that lets
> >> mathematicians
> >> > see that something mathematically is happening. The genetic origin of
> >> that
> >> > --- like *mathematical *reasoning first IS a social relation (not IN
> >> > relation, which is the social in a weak sense). I am developing some
> of
> >> the
> >> > ideas that Vygotsky sketched in the last chapter of thinking and
> speech
> >> > (including the Marx quotations, the marks of which have been removed
> >> from
> >> > all English translations, and paraphrases. I am situating this in a
> >> > Marxian-Spinozist perspective, not the dualist Spinoza that some say
> he
> >> > was, but the one who emphasized the plural singular or singular plural
> >> > nature of being. And thus the Vygotsky who writes in his personal
> notes
> >> > about "affect in concept," the Vygotsky who seeks to develop a A
> >> Spinozist
> >> > approach to Marxian psychology etc etc. I am copying the contents and
> >> the
> >> > cover below.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Michael
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Preface vii
> >> > 1 Vygotsky’s Marxist-Spinozist Re/Orientations 1
> >> > 2 The Thinking Body 33
> >> > 3 The Mathematics of Mathematics 55
> >> > 4 Sociogenesis 77
> >> > 5 Intra-Intersubjective Field 101
> >> > 6 Pereživanie – Experience 131
> >> > 7 Affect and Emotion 151
> >> > 8 Obučenie – Teaching | Learning 179
> >> > 9 Mathematics in the Drama of Life 197
> >> > 10 Overcoming Dualism 217
> >> > Appendix 225
> >> > References 227
> >> > Index 233
> >> >
> >> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > --------------------
> >> > Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
> >> > Applied Cognitive Science
> >> > MacLaurin Building A567
> >> > University of Victoria
> >> > Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> >> > http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
> >> >
> >> > New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> >> > <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
> >> > directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
> >> > mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Carol Macdonald <
> carolmacdon@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Wolff-Michael Roth's new book has just come to my notice.
> >> > >
> >> > > Wolff-Michael, would you like to explain a bit to our whole
> community?
> >> > It
> >> > > looks very interesting indeed.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards
> >> > > Carol
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Carol A Macdonald Ph.D (Edin)
> >> > > Cultural Historical Activity Theory
> >> > > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
> >> > > alternative email address: tmacdoca@unisa.ac.za
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>