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You also might find interesting that on page X of the German version of the
*Ideology*, in the introduction by the Central Committee, there is a phrase
on the function of thinking, the "needs, interests, inclinations, and
feelings of man...", which you can easily relate to the introduction
of *Thinking
and Speech*, where Vygotsky writes about the fundamental problem of
psychology. I don't know whether Vygotsky read the German version (1932) or
the Russian (1933), but much of what he writes in the last 2 paragraphs of
the book (3 paragraphs in the English translations, 1986, 1987), the
"bigger problem" of conscioussnes, and parts of the first chapter, are
"inspired" by the *Ideology*. Michael

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New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
<https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/>*

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike, there are parts of the text in Vygotsky (Thinking and speech),
> which, in the original (1934, also the 2005 compilation, the German
> version), have quotation marks. In the English translation the quotation
> marks have disappeared (as in the 1984 Russian version). Also disappeared
> has the paraphrase of consciousness being cursed by matter, which is in the
> original, but which has been purged from the later Russian and all English
> translations.
>
> Anton and someone else have published a piece with all the changes that
> have been implemented with respect to the 1934 publication.
>
> I am pasting here from the original. You see the quotation marks. The
> green part is about the curse of matter on consciousness, which is missing
> in the English versions. The quotations are from Marx and Engels, *The
> German Ideology*, at least the German and Russian version. (Not all
> English translations do justice to the reference publications by the
> Institute for Marxism-Leninism, which was published in Moscow in German,
> 1932, and Russian, 1933):
>
> Если «язык так же древен, как сознание», если «язык и есть практическое,
> существующее для других людей, а следовательно, и для меня самого, сознание
> », если «проклятие материи, проклятие движущихся слоев воздухазначально
> тяготеет над чистым сознанием», то очевидно, что
> Hope this helps.
>
> Michael
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------
> Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
> Applied Cognitive Science
> MacLaurin Building A567
> University of Victoria
> Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
>
> New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 12:09 PM, mike cole <mcole@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
>> What Marx quotations are those who have access only to the English
>> translation missing, Michael?
>>
>> mike
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Wolff-Michael Roth <
>> wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Carol,
>> >
>> > the key point is to look at that in what people do that lets
>> mathematicians
>> > see that something mathematically is happening. The genetic origin of
>> that
>> > --- like *mathematical *reasoning first IS a social relation (not IN
>> > relation, which is the social in a weak sense). I am developing some of
>> the
>> > ideas that Vygotsky sketched in the last chapter of thinking and speech
>> > (including the Marx quotations, the marks of which have been removed
>> from
>> > all English translations, and paraphrases. I am situating this in a
>> > Marxian-Spinozist perspective, not the dualist Spinoza that some say he
>> > was, but the one who emphasized the plural singular or singular plural
>> > nature of being. And thus the Vygotsky who writes in his personal notes
>> > about "affect in concept," the Vygotsky who seeks to develop a A
>> Spinozist
>> > approach to Marxian psychology etc etc. I am copying the contents and
>> the
>> > cover below.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> > Preface vii
>> > 1 Vygotsky’s Marxist-Spinozist Re/Orientations 1
>> > 2 The Thinking Body 33
>> > 3 The Mathematics of Mathematics 55
>> > 4 Sociogenesis 77
>> > 5 Intra-Intersubjective Field 101
>> > 6 Pereživanie – Experience 131
>> > 7 Affect and Emotion 151
>> > 8 Obučenie – Teaching | Learning 179
>> > 9 Mathematics in the Drama of Life 197
>> > 10 Overcoming Dualism 217
>> > Appendix 225
>> > References 227
>> > Index 233
>> >
>> > [image: Inline image 1]
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>> > --------------------
>> > Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
>> > Applied Cognitive Science
>> > MacLaurin Building A567
>> > University of Victoria
>> > Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
>> > http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
>> >
>> > New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
>> > <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
>> > directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
>> > mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Carol Macdonald <carolmacdon@gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Wolff-Michael Roth's new book has just come to my notice.
>> > >
>> > > Wolff-Michael, would you like to explain a bit to our whole community?
>> > It
>> > > looks very interesting indeed.
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > > Carol
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Carol A Macdonald Ph.D (Edin)
>> > > Cultural Historical Activity Theory
>> > > Honorary Research Fellow: Department of Linguistics, Unisa
>> > > alternative email address: tmacdoca@unisa.ac.za
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
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