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[Xmca-l] Re: Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie, Apophasis ... and TRUMP'S speech!



Ed,
Could you expand on Heidegger and aletheia and Trump? (and Tugendhat).
If it isn't too much trouble I'd appreciate the expansion very much.
-greg

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Edward Wall <ewall@umich.edu> wrote:

> It is perhaps worth pointing out that there are two different words being
> used to supposedly point at the same thing (transliterated and taken from
> Liddell and Scott):
>
> apophansis: a declaration or statement
> apophasis:  a denial, negation
>
> Hence, people may be misinterpreting each other.
>
> One could read Trump’s speaking with an eye to Heidegger, but it would
> probablye done in term of aletheia. However, Tugendhat has shown that all
> this is a little more complicated that Heidegger indicated.
>
> Ed Wall
>
> > On Feb 5, 2017, at  12:49 AM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
> wrote:
> >
> > Henry,
> >
> > I guess for the cartoon to be about apophansis, Trump's speech would
> have to present itself to Trump's supporters as two opposed things
> *simultaneously*, but then perhaps this no longer would be *genuine*
> speech, in the sense Heidegger's treatment of Aristotle suggests. Trump's
> speech would be rather *deceiving,* i.e., "putting something in front of
> something else ... and thereby passing it off *as* something it is *not*".
> >
> > Cognitive dissonance seems to  imply there is some processing between
> the said (logos) and its showing of itself *as* something, which would not
> fit well Heidegger... In any case, as the cartoon nicely illustrates,
> Trumps' supporters may be having a hard time too, it can't be easy.
> >
> > Alfredo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of Wolff-Michael Roth <wolffmichael.roth@gmail.com>
> > Sent: 05 February 2017 02:22
> > To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> > Cc: Wolff-Michael Roth
> > Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie, Apophasis
> ... and TRUMP'S speech!
> >
> > When you have a question about a concept, look up where it is defined.
> > Michael
> >
> > Heidegger, 1996, pp. 28–29
> > Rather, logos as speech really means *deloun*, to make manifest "what
> > is being talked about" in speech. Aristotle explicates this function of
> > speech more precisely as *apophainesthai*. Logos lets something be seen
> > (*phainesthai*), namely what is being talked about, and indeed for the
> > speaker (who serves as the medium) or for those who speak with each
> > other. Speech "lets us see," from itself, *apo*. . . , what is being
> talked
> > about. In speech (*apophansis*), insofar as it is genuine, what is said
> > should
> > be derived from what is being talked about. In this way spoken commu-
> > nication, in what it says, makes manifest what it is talking about and
> > thus makes it accessible to another. Such is the structure of logos as
> > apophansis.
> > Not every "speech" suits *this* mode of making manifest, in the
> > sense of letting something be seen by indicating it. For example,
> requesting
> > (*euche*) also makes something manifest, but in a different way.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------
> > Wolff-Michael Roth, Lansdowne Professor
> > Applied Cognitive Science
> > MacLaurin Building A567
> > University of Victoria
> > Victoria, BC, V8P 5C2
> > http://web.uvic.ca/~mroth <http://education2.uvic.ca/faculty/mroth/>
> >
> > New book: *The Mathematics of Mathematics
> > <https://www.sensepublishers.com/catalogs/bookseries/new-
> directions-in-mathematics-and-science-education/the-
> mathematics-of-mathematics/>*
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:50 PM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Alfredo,
> >> Would the attached link be an example of apophasis? I hope the link gets
> >> you the cartoon from Daily Kos on Feb 1, which illustrates the
> "cognitive
> >> dissonance of Trump supporters”.
> >>
> >> http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/1/1628099/-
> >> Cartoon-Trump-supporters-cognitive-dissonance?detail=
> >> email&link_id=15&can_id=d9825820685b26308482b9b5c5bb09
> >> 5d&source=email-trump-reportedly-tells-female-staffers-to-dress-like-
> >> womentwitter-says-fun&email_referrer=trump-reportedly-
> >> tells-female-staffers-to-dress-like-womentwitter-says-
> >> fun___162460&email_subject=news-organizations-and-
> >> festivities-begin-pulling-out-of-annual-correspondents-dinner-with-trump
> <
> >> http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/1/1628099/-
> >> Cartoon-Trump-supporters-cognitive-dissonance?detail=
> >> email&link_id=15&can_id=d9825820685b26308482b9b5c5bb09
> >> 5d&source=email-trump-reportedly-tells-female-staffers-to-dress-like-
> >> womentwitter-says-fun&email_referrer=trump-reportedly-
> >> tells-female-staffers-to-dress-like-womentwitter-says-
> >> fun___162460&email_subject=news-organizations-and-
> >> festivities-begin-pulling-out-of-annual-correspondents-
> dinner-with-trump>
> >>
> >> Henry
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 3, 2017, at 11:20 PM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Larry,
> >>> I am familiar with the term apophantic (the auto-spelling keeps
> >> correcting the term to "hipophatic" which is the term you use) as it
> >> appears in Heidegger. Not sure now about the connection with Vygotsky
> that
> >> you are after; it seems quite of a complex thread to weave across, at
> least
> >> in the xmca format.
> >>>
> >>> But!, since I wanted to make sure we were using the same term, I did
> >> google it and, guess what I found? An example of apophasis as used by
> >> TRUMP!:
> >>>
> >>> In 2015, Trump said of fellow Republican presidential candidate and
> >> former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina, "I promised I would not say
> that
> >> she ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground, that she laid off tens of
> >> thousands of people and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say
> it,
> >> so I will not say it."In 2016, he tweeted of journalist Megyn Kelly, “I
> >> refuse to call [her] a bimbo, because that would not be politically
> >> correct."
> >>>
> >>> Here is the link to the full article from the Huffington post:
> >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rhetorical-device_us_
> >> 56c358cbe4b0c3c55052b32b
> >>>
> >>> Alfredo
> >>> ________________________________________
> >>> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu
> >
> >> on behalf of lpscholar2@gmail.com <lpscholar2@gmail.com>
> >>> Sent: 02 February 2017 18:15
> >>> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> >>> Subject: [Xmca-l]  Playworlds, Performance, Perezhivanie, Apophasis
> >>>
> >>> Beth and Monica explore the phenomena occurring in playworlds
> generating
> >> perezhivanie.
> >>>
> >>> Playworlds are performance worlds and these worlds may be exploring the
> >> relation of ‘unity’ and ‘difference’.
> >>>
> >>> Another term that may have relevance when Beth and Monica refer to
> >> negating the negation is the operation of ‘apophasis’.
> >>> William Frank (On What Cannot Be Said) describes the apophatic :
> >>>
> >>> *In apophasis, which empties language of all positive content, absolute
> >> difference cannot be distinguished from absolute unity, even though the
> >> respective discourses of difference and unity nominally stand at the
> >> antipodes. BOTH configurations, unity and difference, are exposed as
> >> relatively arbitrary and, in the end, equally inadequate schemas for
> >> articulating what cannot be said. (Franke)
> >>>
> >>> Claire Chambers in her book (Performance Studies and Negative
> >> Epistemology) comments on the above Franke citation :
> >>>
> >>> *If unity and difference cannot be distinguished from one another (we
> >> cannot KNOW what makes them distinct), then it is impossible to
> determine
> >> what either ‘is’ – meaning that knowing and being, epistemology and
> >> ontology, are also impossible to distinguish from one another.(Claire
> >> Chambers Chapter 1)
> >>>
> >>> I am not sure how far to go with this theme of : Negating the negation?
> >>> I hear this theme in playworlds.
> >>>
> >>> If this seems relevant, i can post the first chapter of Claire Chambers
> >> book. I will just mention that Vygotsky’s Judaic childhood and
> adolescence
> >> would have encountered this apophatic ‘tradition’.
> >>> Enough for one probe or possible pivot?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Windows 10 phone
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>


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