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[Xmca-l] Re: Vygotsky goes viral



This message appears to have gone unnoticed too, Henry. Folks are busy.
doing a luxury "recovery day" (my British soccer team won before my day was
properly started and I had a lot of mail to catch up on -- and have the
space to).

But it is certainly well worth thinking of in terms of in terms of how we
defind and codify. We are asked to start from this premise in an article
"bringing vygotsky to the public.:


*inner speech develops alongside social speech. This idea was pioneered by
Lev Vygotsky, a Russian psychologist who studied children in the 1920s and
noted that when they learned to talk to other humans, they also learned how
to talk to themselves, first out loud, and eventually, in their heads.....
  If you buy into the theory of Vygotsky, inner speech is there because
it’s a sort of internalized version of what we used to do out loud.*

Social speech is reduced to what ego "used to say" As the expert in the
article says, definition of thinking is a tricky business. Might be hard to
code. Its products so.... there is information in the Angel's garbage that
might be relevant to the future.

Mike

PS- for those of you not familiar with my reference to Angels, here is the
source. I recommend checking out the Klee painting that is being
interpreted.

*A Klee drawing named “Angelus Novus” shows an angel looking as though he
is about to move away from something he is fixedly contemplating.  His eyes
are staring, his mouth is open, his wings are spread.  This is how one
pictures the angel of history.  His face is turned toward the past.  Where
we perceive a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe that keeps
piling ruin upon ruin and hurls it in front of his feet.  The angel would
like to stay, awaken the dead, and make whole what has been smashed.  But a
storm is blowing from Paradise; it has got caught in his wings with such
violence that the angel can no longer close them.  The storm irresistibly
propels him into the future to which his back is turned, while the pile of
debris before him grows skyward. This storm is what we call
progress.                                                         *

* — Walter Benjamin,*

  *Ninth Thesis on the Philosophy of History*



On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 2:26 PM, HENRY SHONERD <hshonerd@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gente
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/
> figuring-out-how-and-why-we-talk-to-ourselves/508487/?utm_
> source=nl-atlantic-weekly-112416 <http://www.theatlantic.com/
> science/archive/2016/11/figuring-out-how-and-why-we-
> talk-to-ourselves/508487/?utm_source=nl-atlantic-weekly-112416>
>
> Fake news, echo chambers…reminds me of inner speech. A thinking person at
> least knows not to believe everything she thinks. Unless she shouts her
> thinking self down.
>
> I don’t expect “objectivity", but maybe some reasoning.
>
> In gratitude,
> Henry
>
>