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[Xmca-l] Re: XMCA-ers: Help needed finding LSV references to *First* and *Second* Signal Systems
Thanks for the Luria references. From a cursory reading of the relevant
passages in the Luria & Yudovich book, and judging by some of the other
sources you listed, I get the impression that there hasn't been much
theoretical *fleshing out* of the structures of the second signal system.
I hope that the concept of a first and second signal system is not just a
political argument, but instead has some real substance. I find it hard to
imagine that our *animal* (stimulus-response) system of thinking is
developmentally unrelated to our *human* (conversational
initiation-response) system of thinking.
If anyone else knows of any passages from Vygotsky related to this topic,
please don't hold back!
On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 1:56 PM, mike cole <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Peter-- If you google Luria "second signal system" you will come up with
> several references. There is a copy at luria.ucsd.edu of his little book
> with Yudovich on twins that uses that language.
> It is not online (so far as i know), but Luria's article on "Speech
> development and the formation of mental processes" in Cole and
> Maltzman, *Handbook
> of Soviet Psychology. *Basic Books, 1969 uses this term a lot.
> I believe you will find an upsurge of usage associated with the late
> 1940's-50's when Vygotskians were under severe attack, there were special
> "Pavlov sessions" where they had to recant their errors, and the use of
> first and second signal system by Pavlov
> allowed them a life line to orthodoxy.
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Peter Feigenbaum [Staff] <
> email@example.com> wrote:
> > Dear colleagues,
> > I don't wish to detract in any way from the very serious and absolutely
> > necessary discussion about male sensitivity (or should I say
> > to the voices of the women inhabiting this list, but I sure could use
> > collective help with a small matter of scholarship. I am trying to locate
> > any passages in LSV's Collected Works in English in which he refers to
> > *first* and *second* signal systems.
> > My understanding is that Vygotsky considers the first signal system as
> > biologically inherited stimulus-response (S-R) system of reflexes as
> > described by Pavlov, whereas the second signal system refers to the
> > culturally inherited system of initiation-response that is particular to
> > human conversational activity. I am working with the hypothesis that, in
> > ontogenetic development, the first signal system becomes *domesticated*
> > and ultimately subordinated to, the second signal system. That is, the
> > form of thinking becomes developmentally transformed into the
> > Initiation-Response form of thinking that is characteristic of a person
> > performing a listening-speaking turn in conversation.
> > If any of the wonderful scholars on this list could help point this poor,
> > stumbling colleague
> > in the right direction, I would be most grateful.
> > Warm wishes to all,
> > Peter
> > p.s. -- Let me take this opportunity to express my heartfelt thanks to
> > for creating this list in the first place, and with it the opportunity
> > Vygotskian scholars the world over to share and discuss our ideas in an
> > open and honest forum. For my part, I pledge to do my level best to raise
> > my own consciousness where it is deficient so that my participation in
> > forum will be as inclusive and respectful to all of its participants as
> > humanly possible.
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