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[Xmca-l] Re: Videos on perezhivanie from Nikolai Veresov

Thank you Alfredo,

What you suggest is what I have done in my paper for Culture and
Psychology, and you make some good points. Thank you very much.


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Alfredo Jornet Gil <a.j.gil@iped.uio.no>

> Dear Wagner,
> would not using two different names, one of which is your own designation
> rather than the result of consensus, be even more confusing? Indeed,
> "developmental emotional experiences" may be a particularly problematic
> term since, if you follow Vygotsky, perezhivanie is a unit of development,
> and always involves not only emotional but also intellectual aspects. Why
> not "developmental emotional and intellectual experiences" then? But that
> would be problematic as well, because it would be like supposing that there
> is anything worth the name experience that would not already involve both
> the intellect and the affects (vegetative experience? unconscious
> experience?), or would not change you in the least of the ways. Of course,
> all three terms, developmental, emotional, and experience, may be useful
> for discussing perezhivanie; but I doubt it is a good idea to use a
> composite of them to substitute it, specially when perezhivanie was
> conceived as a unit that denotes unity, and not a composite of different
> elements/aspects.
> So, why not stick to one word, and then elaborate on its different aspects
> or dimensions in a way that anyone could understand it, even those with no
> CHAT background? I think that, irrespective of the committee's background,
> your thesis should be intelligible for any scholar in the social/cognitive
> sciences. I believe that it is in that exercise that you might actually to
> develop a more sophisticated grasp of the notion. If you rely on what the
> committee already knows about CHAT, you are more likely to leave some
> assumptions under-stated, and then perhaps, non-articulated to them or to
> yourself. By having to make your argument visible to any one, you will have
> to deal with the assumptions that you are working with, and will not hide
> anything to the committee or to yourself.
> Those my two cents; others?
> Also, there is a special issue on perezhivanie coming up soon at MCA that
> should be quite helpful for dealing with these issues.
> Cheers,
> Alfredo
> ________________________________________
> From: xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu <xmca-l-bounces@mailman.ucsd.edu>
> on behalf of Wagner Luiz Schmit <wagner.schmit@gmail.com>
> Sent: 15 August 2016 01:22
> To: eXtended Mind, Culture, Activity
> Subject: [Xmca-l] Re: Videos on perezhivanie from Nikolai Veresov
> Dear XMCA Colleagues,
> I am writing my PhD thesis now about perezhivanie in analog role-playing
> games. Based on the speeches of Professor Veresov, and in order to make
> things less confusing for the thesis committee here in Japan (they do not
> know much about CHAT), I am thinking in using "developmental emotional
> experiences" for perezhivanie as phenomena and perezhivanie for
> perezhivanie as a concept. What are your opinions on this?
> All the best for you.
> Wagner Luiz Schmit
> University of Tsukuba
> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Andy Blunden <ablunden@mira.net> wrote:
> > Here are links to Nickolai Veresov's keynote speech on Perezhivanie on
> > Symposium at ISCAR in Sydney.
> >
> > Perezhivanie in Cultural-Historical Theory: The Concept and is content.
> >
> >    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJMpYarIRzs
> >
> > or at
> >
> >    https://vimeo.com/164861983
> >
> >
> > Andy
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Andy Blunden
> > http://home.mira.net/~andy
> > http://www.brill.com/products/book/origins-collective-decision-making
> >